Feedback: Survivor Masters: Paris
NG_Filipe
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As you play through "Survivor Masters: Paris" we encourage you to share your constructive feedback, both positive and negative in this thread. Your feedback from SM: New York has been very valuable as we continue to make improvements and evaluate how certain elements (like grenades) effect the Tournament.
In SM:Paris you will notice changes to the number of walkers per stage, multiplier requirements and individual rewards. We are continuing to listen to your feedback as we make adjustments for future Survivor Masters Tournaments.
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The FAQ of the Survivor Masters Series can be found here. If you have any questions, please use the General Discussions section or the Bug Reports section for technical problems - this thread is for feedback only. Thank you for understanding.
We are looking forward to your feedback!The FAQ of the Survivor Masters Series can be found here. If you have any questions, please use the General Discussions section or the Bug Reports section for technical problems - this thread is for feedback only. Thank you for understanding.
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I'd like to propose to reduce the number of groups in Champion Division by 2 and instead also promote the 4 best players that have been ranked 3rd in their group. Such a procedure is also applied in many other competitive tournaments such as the European Soccer Championship.
What I currently observe is, that players with scores that would rank them not even within the Top5 in another group get promoted to Ultimate, while others, that would be ranked 1 in many other groups have to stay one more round in Champion. For this round it's not that much of an issue as there is another round to reach Ultimate. But when it comes to the last round and possible end rewards, this is just unfair.
Obviously I bring this up, as it happened to me. Nevertheless (trying to put my subjective perception besides), I think that when only two out of ~30 players get promoted and groups are completly randomly formed, fluctuations are too high. Especially for players that buy a lot of grenades it must be very frustating to see them putting up a score that would easily rank them within Top2 in 24 groups, but unluckily they were put into group 25. For the lower ranks, where at least 5 or even 10 players get promoted and you have larger groups, such deviations more likely cancle out.
Thanks for listening!
Although I am slightly salty that my 30 mill score wouldn't get me to Ultimate, and in another group that would have been the best score of that group, I have hope that with the 5th round, I have my another chance to get to the Ultimate (and this time around it seems 31.3 mill is enough).
This was the score distribution of top10 at my group:
34,3 mill
33,7 mill
32,1 mill
31,8 mill
30,1 mill
27,7 mill
22,9 mill
22,6 mill
20,6 mill
20,1 mill
I'd say that if you can get a 30 mill score, you most likely are within "top of the top" range of players that would get to Ultimate, if you only took, say top 50 players without taking into account what group they were in. But now there are groups where one can get to Ultimate with 26 mill scores, and then a group where even 32 mill isnt nearly enough. Although the same 32 mill score most likely end up at top20, if all the scores from round 4 Champion were listed from top to bottom without considering the groups as individuals but as a whole.
That is why some form of change is needed to balance the system. For example, halve the amount of groups at Champion, but make more people (top 4-5) go through to the Ultimate - this would reduce the amount of groups so there's less chance to have "non-stacked" group where people with 25 mill scores wouldn't get to Ultimate. Or as Trumpf proposed, few best scores from those that ranked 3rd in their group. This would also make way more intense groups with a lot of people fighting for top 1-5 slots, making it waaay more interesting for those that really has a chance to fight for getting to the Ultimate (say top 1 to top 10 each group).
To me his tournament basically mimics the free world way of "He who spends the most $$$ wins. i.e. grenades. It is a grenade trap$$$$$
Also, it seems again our hero and weapon levels are playing a huge significant part in the playing fields of each stage of this "Tournament"....exactly like in our Missions.
That is a problem to me. And thwarts my desire to actually play it as a tournament.
In Tournament style play, all players have an equal playing field advantage and the opportunity to play "the same game", as the others, at the same time, and with the same challenge the other players are offered. Some players are better than others in that tournament and can even qualify for individual mvp status, in this same tournament. i.e. headshots like touchdowns equal more points....
But, It's always the same field advantage, in the game. Some players are better but all have the same field advantage to do so.
I feel we should all, disregardless of our game hero or weapon power levels should be opted the same level of the playing field advantage in tournaments. I've noticed most top players of the tournament comparing to their high profile levels have a very low hero, weapon power level. So even they are playing even lower level stages in this tournament than I.... i.e. they are able to stay in the field longer = more points. And I, playing higher level missions will never even get close to those incredibly high points.
Maybe if - keeping the levels realistic for everyone and not due to your personal hero and weapon power levels will create a more equal playing field. .
Me .....I'm sure I'm playing stage levels 27, 28, 29 in Bronze because unfortunately thats my hero and weapon power levels in the actual game because unfortunately I'm a mad grinder and have powered up my heroes and weapons to that level of mission play in the game. 😖(Upgraded power levels.....Partly due to the mandatory weekly upgrade 2 cards missions and party from the game requiring using the same heroes and weapons in the Tiles and Tier requirements and partly from only getting the same cards over and over in rewards...ugh)
Otherwise it really seems like say, in the same football game....making ea. receiver, on the same playing field, but pending on their stats must run individual lengths on the same field to make a touchdown. A 2nd string receiver only has to run 10 yards and it's a touchdown, but a better talented receiver must run 50 yards on that same field, in the same game, from the same position, guarded by 3 times as many defenseman to be able to call it a touchdown....Or the best lineman must take down 2 quarterbacks in order to call it a sack or stop the ball. The 2nd string lineman only needs to take down 1 quarterback to stop the ball....Same Game, Same Field, but way different requirements for each player. That's not a Tournament.
I will saythis though "Tournaments"/baits are a very nice tool to use to advance the requirements of our tiles in our seasonal Tier gameplay but it's not a level enough playing field to call it a Tournament.
Thanks,
FasterThanU
Right now there are a a handful of optimal weapons for this bait tourny (WP aside).
And whoever brings the most grenades is autowin<- this will need to be addressed at some point.
The simplest is to make a second bait tourny only grenade you can start with or buy into (for coin or whatever). Someone who wants to p2w will win every time and have little to no skill as a factor. Not that this is a skill game anyway, but goes back to what you want out of this gamemode
We will be changing only the round lengths, but we plan to introduce more changes with future updates. Stay safe!