Super Cycle & Changes to Outposts Matchmaking - Official Discussion Thread

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  • AmigaAmiga Member Posts: 3,770
    edited September 2016
    @Shteevie
    Influence isn't a good factor creating matchmaking. Outpost power is more important during raids IMO
    Facing pinky winki defenders team for 10 influence.. No thanks

    The same problem exist horrible in Boom Beach. It giving enemy island comparing our victory points which is totally misunderstanding.
    In results players with lvl 46 has to fight against lvl 52+ Of course it's impossible to beat their defence.
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  • Neil_JNeil_J Member Posts: 1,873
    Shteevie said:

    Influence will be adjusted to have a different effect on the post-match TG rewards, and we're playing around with the idea of phasing out the end-of-cycle rewards and giving you the extra up front when you win. This way, people don't just sit on a high-ish Influence rating, and actually need to actively play, but those that play will get better rewards they can use right away instead of waiting for a small-ish reward every 2 weeks.

    This is just in the planning stages, so it's not decided to be happening for sure, and definitely not for 2.2, but it's an example of an idea that shows that we have similar thoughts about the role of Influence going forward.

    @Shteevie That would probably be a better way of doing it. As I said, with 2 hours + hospital time for making (in some cases) one wrong move, taking the TG and bailing is a much more appealing option.
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  • AmigaAmiga Member Posts: 3,770
    I tried first time to make raid after event.. Of course RF...
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  • PigPig Member Posts: 1,870
    Shteevie said:

    @KelvSG
    That is pretty weird, but you do have a very high influence rating and a very high player level. Maybe the others were all on their shield from when you beat them before?

    But from the screenshot, Beeromixalhs should have a shield, right? So the shield isn't an explanation. Either Beer(whatever) doesn't have a shield when he/she should, or it's a bot.
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  • KelvSGKelvSG Member Posts: 277
    Pig said:

    Shteevie said:

    @KelvSG
    That is pretty weird, but you do have a very high influence rating and a very high player level. Maybe the others were all on their shield from when you beat them before?

    But from the screenshot, Beeromixalhs should have a shield, right? So the shield isn't an explanation. Either Beer(whatever) doesn't have a shield when he/she should, or it's a bot.
    Nope, if he made a raid, the shield came down immediately. That why i have to wait till he raid once, so i can raid him again lol.
    And im as good as no shield, cause im actively raiding once my A-B team are available.
  • PigPig Member Posts: 1,870
    Hmm. I suppose it's possible he was raiding in that same narrow time-frame. What are the odds?
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  • KelvSGKelvSG Member Posts: 277
    Pig said:

    Hmm. I suppose it's possible he was raiding in that same narrow time-frame. What are the odds?

    no idea though. i just hope someone raid this Tommeeee and Cklui guy. Their extreme dodge and stun avoided are killing me seriously..... The others 2 guy i keep matching me was Beeromixalhs (100% win rate) and totrag (50% if he doesnt dodge my 1st turn).

    Last check, this 4 are around 5100-5250 influences. But there still so many others player around my range yet i nv see them in my matchup. im about getting bored with not just the same map raid, but the exact same person.
    Pig
  • KelvSGKelvSG Member Posts: 277
    Is this guy a bot or something wrong with matching system ? Got him 3 time a row in 7min. Especially i defeat him in the 2nd round, by right he should be on shield
    Pig
  • DeadShotDeadShot Member Posts: 4
    Outpost has significantly increased their lvl to lvl player matches. I've been around lvls not so high or low and strategy gets trophies. This really works compared to the first weeks of unbalanced matchmaking but why so much downtime for injuries?
    It's crucial that we heal and play during the time our outposts is open, which means that I need my phone to be "on" so I don't get idled or attacked and wait 7 hours. Which makes me rather open the game every 7 hours, instead of attacking for hours throughout the day. With healing downtime decreased, this game would have more traffic, more competition and gaining influence would be a game of strength and wits. This game is like chess but with zombies and I like the weapons
    MizTy_NoName
  • MovadoMovado Member Posts: 863
    @KelvSG There does appear to be "bot" versions of players, usually it'll say a random generic name in match-up, and it's only afterwards in log we see who it really was. As we climb influence it tweaks both the matchups and limits the number of different matchups when attempting a 'do-over.' My assumption is that on principle, matches get more limited with higher influence as a way to balance out the standings on a macro lvl (I have some issues with how this is manifested, though). It's common after a certain point to see the same opponent over & over.

    Interestingly, I think when shield is active, others can still raid you, but, even if they complete all 3 objectives, you wouldn't lose influence. I know for a fact I've seen situations where no influence lost despite all defenders killed....I just didn't know why. Now this would be my guess as to the reason, but I admit I cannot state this with any degree of certainty. Would be nice to get some clarification on the bot mechanics from NG
  • IRONDeeIRONDee Member Posts: 469
    Maybe, but the shield doesn't go up unless influence is lowered. I've had a few attacks that people only took trade goods, or didn't kill all my defenders and shields didn't go up.
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  • MarsOneMarsOne Member Posts: 65
    edited September 2016
    Just saying again what I have said before. There is no incentive for players of my calibre to raid with the current state of outposts. The weekend event was good, now risks far outweigh rewards again. Back to facing far more powerful opponents than I.
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  • acbacb Member Posts: 54
    Shteevie said:

    The Bruiser charge attack is great against super dodgers, assuming you can catch them when not on overwatch.

    They do not help against defenders with 100% stun resistance, do they?

    Just did a raid with 3 assaults and bad multi dodgers wth stun resistance. Verging more of those 4000+
    MarsOne
  • SlowMoSlowMo Member Posts: 203
    @MarsOne Agree. After the weekend event now outpost is back to hell mode. Every of my raid is nothing but RF3 and super ninjas.

    Sadly outpost raiding is now my pre bed time event. One or two raids, go hospital, then go to bed. Fortunately I made it to Gold tier 1 and my IP enough to last me till end of this cycle to get 8k reward.

    So after this cycle, time to tank influence! Lol
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  • AmigaAmiga Member Posts: 3,770
    edited September 2016
    My temporary RF solution.. 2x Assault 1x Scout. Stun and run to TG box.
    Mostly without any injury.. but Outpost raids shouldn't look like that ;(
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  • SlowMoSlowMo Member Posts: 203
    I adopt similar strategy but most time I see the flashing word 'stun avoided' lol.. On top of that, dodge and bullet dodge..
    MarsOneant
  • ManiekManiek Member Posts: 12
    Hello. The premiere of the new season TWD is shifted from 9 to 23 October. Do update 2.2 also? certainly a lot of players, like me, is almost full warehouses of supply and could use them to spend.
  • AmigaAmiga Member Posts: 3,770
    edited September 2016
    I used my all supplies during exchange event. Now I'm slowly collected more.. Now around 6kk. Before update I should have more than 10kk. Why ppl didn't do the same? Think McFly.. think...
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  • VerbaubVerbaub Member Posts: 650
    I think some of us were nervous that NG would release an update requiring supplies - I only spent about half of mine.
    I'm still refilling, but I'm wishing I had used them all.
    Better to have them and not need them than to need them and not have them I always say ....
    MizTy
  • AmigaAmiga Member Posts: 3,770
    I have AS in my sleeve ;) bundle with full supplies...
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  • Gunny_HighwayGunny_Highway Member Posts: 219
    so a whisked shit because you get 300 TG and 28 IP appears, attacks and provides 1 lvl 13 gray, and 2 lvl 14 green, OK should work, since I 1 lvl 15 gold and 2 lvl 15 have blue.

    Then the raid and what is begins a as 1 over? a whole bunch of lvl 19 Walkers, tanks and fatties, I did not even get from the start point.
    Conclusion: 10 TG lost for this shitty attack, 1 gas and 3 people to 1.5 hours in hospital are.
    If this crap finally again, I miss 350 TG to a token, unlock, I have since this morning 10 rtaids started, times just get the flag 6, won 1 times, lost the rest, this results in 28+ and 50-. what a crap.
    if I'm wasting my TG and gas, I want to see who I fight and so maybe a spit here.
    All bullshit, if you can not see who you are fighting, the building as quickly as possible to get back
  • Gunny_HighwayGunny_Highway Member Posts: 219
    edited September 2016
    and the next senseless defeats, gold with 3 lvl 16, and 400tg 35IP were offered,
    What you will find ??
    lvl 19 walkers, and lvl 18 defenders

    again 10 tg and 1 gas for the ass and back 3 golden boys 2h in hospital

    I want the opponent display back otherwise I'll get back on my google coal, this game is no longer playable after the last update.

    if I have a car buy me, I will not go well if missing after a workshop visit at a time 50 ps

    it's just plain sucks
    10% victory with a + to TG and IP
    40% of victory only with the flags
    lost 50%, which is such a shit
    slowly bursting'm really the collar

    what the hell, I can now see how strong the opponent is ??????
    the tg ?? or ip ?????
    how much can I get a max equally strong opponents get ?????
    50TG and 10 IP ????
  • acbacb Member Posts: 54
    Amiga said:

    I used my all supplies during exchange event. Now I'm slowly collected more.. Now around 6kk. Before update I should have more than 10kk. Why ppl didn't do the same? Think McFly.. think...

    I did at least 3 trades a day and am already full again. Full gas just leads to full supplies very fast.
  • Gobold69Gobold69 Member Posts: 119
    It not fair who I'm getting, but most at least 2/3 leg. Yes that so fair as I have only 1!

    Yeah got a few good raids, but being raider too much, can't beat the 3 leg, NOT spending on this games to so many things are fixed

    Sorry NG I'm fading with you fast, another bad update could do me

  • KelvSGKelvSG Member Posts: 277
    Gobold69 said:

    It not fair who I'm getting, but most at least 2/3 leg. Yes that so fair as I have only 1!

    Yeah got a few good raids, but being raider too much, can't beat the 3 leg, NOT spending on this games to so many things are fixed

    Sorry NG I'm fading with you fast, another bad update could do me

    Then i have to say, adiós !

    Seriously, i even bring my uncommon maggie to raid 3 legendary because i need a hunter (had 5, 1 in training, 2 outpost 1 hospital, left maggie available).

    And i have no issue winning. Just ask Cklui, Tommeeee, Beero, and 1 more guy i forgotten. Ever since Sunday after reaching 5000 influence, my opponent forever the same 5 ppl which will send all my 3 survivor to 2hr 45min resort stay even if i won.

    And i guarantee u still will lose with 3 legendary if u dont have the right gear, or ur opponent are fully gear with all 3 behind cover with stun avoided + insane dodge rate.
  • GatlingJackGatlingJack Member Posts: 5
    one more feedback to the TG shop:

    30 token for TG is an awesome option, very good change.

    That offer is meant to stay after the super-cycle, isn't it???
  • ShteevieShteevie Staff Posts: 1,335
    30 tokens for TG won't be around forever. It will rotate in and out with all the other TG offerings.

    As for difficult matchmaking results, the end of the cycle is coming, and the reset will bring players closer together in INF again. I don't know about you, but I find that weapon and armor upgrading, even if the traits aren't perfect, is hugely important. Common guys with upgraded weapons can still be effective in PvP.

    If this isn't your situation, then maybe things will get better for you after the end of the cycle.
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  • RicktatorshipRicktatorship Member Posts: 17
    love the new matchmaking changes, its nice to face people closer to my level. but i still have to say that the double rewards for the next IP tier isnt enough motivation for me to rank up. i can make far more TG by keeping my rank lower than i could by trying to get to a higher tier. dont get me wrong, being able to buy 30 hero tokens is a good motivator to hit that next tier, but it doesnt do me any good if i hit that tier and cant win raids and make enough TG to buy those tokens. As long as I can keep my hospital time to a minimum by sandbagging and doing smash and grabs, then fleeing, im not going to climb in rank. if you guys could reduce healing time for injuries incurred during raids it would go a long way towards getting people to play raids the way you want them to. the only time i gain IP is when someone body blocks the TGs and i get angry enough to kill their team just to show them they are being stupid for blocking peoples smash and grab. if healing times were reduced or negated during outpost matches it would change everything. people would be motivated to climb the ranks and play outposts more often, instead of once or twice before they go to bed. as long as the matchmaking remained balanced as we climbed to higher tiers then there would be no motivation to purposely lose rank...
    Stuff....and thangs.
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  • gespuergespuer Member Posts: 1,565
    So I gave the renewed outpost another try.

    I'm player level 55, outpost level 114, used 2 hunter level 19-5* and 1 scout level 19-5* (all with 22 weapon and armour). Before opening the gate it was pretty easy whilst fighting against walkers of level 8-9. So easy to chare up all 3 survivors.
    Just wanted to take the flag and the box. That wasn't possible without killing all 3 defenders (hunter, shooter,bruiser all 19-5*).
    Result was 33 inf and 417 crates.
    Not to forget 2,5 hrs for scout and hunter in hospital.
    You want to know if that was worth it?
    IMHO NO!!!!
    So I refuse to go for another raid under this circumstances.
  • Neil_JNeil_J Member Posts: 1,873
    @gespuer Take a scout. Kill defending walkers, open the gate and grab the TG and bail. On most maps, the scout can reach the chest in one move and defenders don't have overwatch for the move that you open the gate.
    All over in seconds with minimal survivor damage - forget the Influence, it's pretty useless anyway.

    (As stated many times on other threads)
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