Season 7, Episode 1: Official Discussion Thread (SPOILERS INSIDE)

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edited October 2016 in TV Show Discussion
Episode aired: 23 October 2016
Run-time: 44min
Director: Greg Nicotero

Thoughts, comments, speculation?

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  • AmigaAmiga Member Posts: 3,770
    edited October 2016
    What can I say.. I liked Abraham ;/ it was like Duke Nukem for me ech..
    Damn it!! Glen was the longer with Rick... Damn it!
    Overall E1 masterpiece. Everything is just perfect.. atmosphere, effects, realism. S7 will rock definitely!
    Stabbing people during sleep by Rick team wasn't cool as well.. so Revenge is sweet..
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  • WhyDoYouDieWhyDoYouDie Member Posts: 160
    i'm really sad that they killed abraham, glenn was ok since it was just like the comics, but abraham was my favorite character.
  • AmigaAmiga Member Posts: 3,770
    One of my favourite too @WhyDoYouDie
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  • WhyDoYouDieWhyDoYouDie Member Posts: 160
    @amiga i didn't expected 2 kills though.
  • AmigaAmiga Member Posts: 3,770
    Killing Abraham was a huge shock for me.. but Glen and his eye..kicked my balls horrible.
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  • EL34xyzEL34xyz Member Posts: 1,872
    Abe was my favorite also, but Negan is so badass
    They should have named him Hitler
  • AmigaAmiga Member Posts: 3,770
    His even better than Governor ;))
    I remember him from TV show Extant.
    Good actor ;)
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  • Pain WalkerPain Walker Content Creator Posts: 2,627
    Nice as expected. Was quite suprised intitially cus I thought Glenn was gonna live.

    Full review, thoughts AND Alternative ending( Negan'a death) shown (No man's land edition)

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  • TransmuteJunTransmuteJun Member Posts: 2,171
    In a way, it was what I expected, because the internet spoilers were right. But then, the depiction of Negan really made an impression on me. I feel like we got to see the nature of the character, and truly understand why Rick was beaten. It was like I was along on both of their journeys: Rick's and Negan's, and I understood where both men were coming from. That's not to say that it wasn't difficult to watch, but it was easier knowing that in the end, Negan's day will come. It has to, right?

    I do think that plot-wise there were better choices than killing Glenn. It was so expected (because of the comics) and meaningless (because of the dumpster trauma of Season 6). While I agree that a major character needed to go, I think story-wise it would have been better being Daryl... or Maggie or Michonne or even Carl.

    Not that I'm happy at the idea of any of these characters going.

    Abraham was expected. As Michael Cudlitz said on Talking Dead, the character was living on borrowed time, and the nature of his emotional revelations and life turnaround at the end of Season 6 suggested that it was time for him to go. But I will miss watching him.
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  • DLichDLich Member Posts: 5,546
    Now that it's safe to say, the moment when Rick was tasked with cutting Carl's arm off was probably the hardest moment for me to watch of the entire episode. The whole episode had me so intense between the hype of the episode and what we were actually seeing/experiencing I felt like (as many probably) that we were there, in those moments, experiencing what they were experiencing.

    Negan took out 2 huge players in the show without (pardon the pun) batting an eye. I thought honestly he was goin to make Rick cut off his own son's arm. In those moments I imagined what I would be feeling if in that position, a deranged sociopath who has just killed 2 of my crew who outnumbers me and my crew now forcing me to make a life altering decision towards my own child... Absolutely incredible television.

    I didn't get teary eyed when Abraham was killed. I didn't get teary eyed when Glenn was killed. I almost lost my $hit when seeing the carl arm moment imagining I was Rick and my 5 year old son Dylan was Carl. That would have broke me.

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  • DaleDale Member Posts: 1,122
    The recaps of this episode have reinforced my conclusion that I do not want to watch this show. The consensus is that it was extremely brutal and gory even by TWD standards. That's just not my thing. and I like Jeffrey Dean Morgan and don't want to watch him play a character that nasty. But, whatever, to each his own.
  • HadrhuneHadrhune Member Posts: 4
    The episode was ... what can I say ... a huge shock. I didnt thought they will go along with the comic. I daresay the death of Glen was the most shocking to that point in the comic and it was so in the series.

    I have to praise the role of Negan, they really did the psycho justice ... that said I wish they would reintroduce permanent death to the game just so I can throw him before a horde of walkers. :tongue:

    TWD is entering a new era now because this arc is mostly man against man ... hope FOX will be able to find the proper bslance and wont just get lost in exploiting Negans "overwhelming" personality.
  • TheSittingDuckTheSittingDuck Member Posts: 208
    This was worst episode i've ever watched, honestly.
    Something that unfortunally can' be unseen.
    And it was made just because one aspect: unnecessary amount of luridness. Yes, i know what is this show about, i'm not new to it, so it's not about who & how they decide to kill, it's how they decide to depict it. And that episode in my opinion crosses the line of brutality and expilcit details. Undoubtly it gave me strong emotions, but it wasn't fright or shock, much more like disgust and disappointment (of taken path). I really think people who decided to film it that way and allowed for emission in current version should seriously think about themselves. Same goes to those who get "entertained" by it...

    Catching an oppurnity of American presence on this board I have two connected questions: what the fuck is wrong in your censorship?? You can air this kind of sick things as long as no boobs or curses involved? Since i knew about this morality ladder I never get it! And second, basic logic question: what is more destructive to young, developing mind: a pair making love or people murdering each other? This is tied to fan base of the show, who are in majority young folks, teens mostly. Which one - for the record - i'm not anymore for over decade now and i've seen already some twisted things in my life, but this one is diffrent. It just shouldn't be viewed untril stricly rated R.
    Some may still ask what thoes questions have to the show. Well, if you think about it in long term, a lot - by serving that kind of productions we literally raise future generation of Walking, Dead inside mass of emotionless zombies....
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  • WhyDoYouDieWhyDoYouDie Member Posts: 160
    Well i think rick had a huge chance to kill negan already, when rick needs to get his axe. Afhter he lays on the rv he gets back in negan shows his hand so rick should give him the axe. At that point negan only holds the gun with the front grip not the trigger if rick just swing the axe to negans head he wouldnt be able to defend himself aswell since he was schooting so mush at those zombies his clip would be empty

    Someone of my guild said as counter that all the others would die.

    However that might be true negan never told the saviors where he went so they had no clue when he returns so rick cou go back to alexandria and get his people and take on the saviors from behind.
  • WhyDoYouDieWhyDoYouDie Member Posts: 160
    @MadPuppy yes i did notice i dont know why he did but i think someone used to hang pictures of all kills in the negan HQ
  • JadenJaden Member Posts: 3,067

    Amazingly I managed to avoid all spoilers for the show, even the "XY dies in the comics".

    That way it affected me more than if I had read beforehand what has happened (and so glad I was able to watch it when it was aired instead of having to wait).
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  • TheGiantGirlTheGiantGirl Member Posts: 12
    SittingDuck, I share your disquiet. Having been a huge fan if the series, I have also choosen not to watch it any longer. I feel it is just not good for me to watch such graphically depicted violence or the sustained terrorisation of people I have grown to care about. We have real emotional and cognitive responses to this fictional story and this episode made me question the balance between entertainment and damage. The damage now outweighs other factors for me.
  • masmith93masmith93 Member Posts: 3,523
    edited October 2016
    Those of you so put off by this episode in particular weren't put off by the first scene of the first show? The incident with Rick and the biker gang? Karen, David, Herschel, Beth, Tyreese and Noah's deaths? Terminus? The Governor? As I said, there's been much worse imo.
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  • Tapatio75Tapatio75 Member Posts: 636
    I started watching it since mid season 5 and I haven't been waiting impatiently for new episodes since the original V series
  • TheSittingDuckTheSittingDuck Member Posts: 208
    I respect everyone who disagree with me and realize i'm minority but i just needed to share my feelings. I also know some other things:

    -that maybe it isn't targeted to young audience, but in fact they're are the core of almost every popular tv show and they watch it with more engagement

    -that there was many gore moments, especially of walkers ending in various ways and configurations, yet there wasn't depicted tormentor's sadism in pure, pornographic level of details on human being

    -that even if it's fiction it still impact on every person's psyche, even if they don't want to admit it to themselves (take the big picture here)

    So, ending my post: if they wanted to follow comic narrative they could do it fast and crisply like in the original, without needless angles, instead they choose to stretch out this few min. execution scene to a whole episode more or less torturing fictional characters physically and viewers emotionally.
    And the last thing...maybe i'm diffrent and memories are still fresh, but now everytime i take Glenn on missions i see raw meat ("Maggie i'll found you"), which changes attitude to game also...

    @TheGiantGirl & @Dale - thank you for your comments..
  • DaleDale Member Posts: 1,122
    edited October 2016

    Catching an oppurnity of American presence on this board I have two connected questions: what the fuck is wrong in your censorship?? You can air this kind of sick things as long as no boobs or curses involved?

    Yes, that about sums it up. Why? Difficult to say.

    Personally I believe it goes back to the Puritans. They migrated over here in the early 17th century. They saw themselves as very religious, no boobs or curses allowed in public, but had no problems torturing each other. Look up the Salem Witch Trials if you want further details. On some weird level, I think that approach is embedded in our psyches.

    And second, basic logic question: what is more destructive to young, developing mind: a pair making love or people murdering each other?
    I agree with you. It makes no sense.
  • JadenJaden Member Posts: 3,067
    edited October 2016

    So you are basically saying there can never be an adult TV show because children could watch it? (Besides of that, hasn't the show been horrifying from the start? Isn't that what it's about? Isn't that the genre?)

    And then you practically say I'm in denial and that you know better what affects or doesn'f affect my psyche. Well... sorry, but you don't.

    I can accept that you didn't like the episode, I also agree that it's neither for the young nor the faint of heart, but I know very well what influences me and what doesn't. I'm moved a lot by real life events - but this is just fiction, no matter how harsh, violent or evil, it's not real.

    It's not life changing, not soul changing, not making me a psychopath, not making me feel any less horrified or sad about things that happen in reality.

    See, and then you say you are different - I agree.

    While I also have trouble looking at Glenn and Abraham when taking them on missions I don't see raw meat. I see a character I care about that I will miss on the show. I'm sort of sorry for them, I'm glad they are still alive in "my TWD universe" - I remember lots of scence from the series when I see them, but I don't think about the gory details of their deaths.
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  • SgtSalamiSgtSalami Member Posts: 578
    I loved this episode and the return to a more brutal world that resembles more the world of the comics (and fyi, I am not a young man). I was really happy to see them finally knock off a few of the main characters, even fan favorite a listers. I thought they got soft last season. No one should be safe. I appreciated the twist in which they knocked off two, which caught me by surprise.

    I wish it were not as heavily censored and more adult oriented, but I understand the constraints the people who produce the show have. The soap opera aspects in which most sexual relations are based on long hard decisions about love seem ludicrous for a zombie apocalypse. I wish they would let Negan be more Negan, but I still really enjoyed this portrayal of him.
  • SgtSalamiSgtSalami Member Posts: 578
    @tiwyg Katzman said that there are some fixed points in the story for both the series and comics, and Glenn's death is clearly one of them, and certainly integral to Maggie's development. It certainly was a surprise for him to quickly and unceremoniously get popped after Abraham's death. I think Glen's death will also be important for what they will do with Daryl, who was not in the comics; Daryl really screwed up here (both in the final episode of last season and this one). It was also interesting to hear the actor, Steven Yeun, say in the Talking Dead that after issue 100 came out, he had told Katzman that he wanted to die like that in the series.

    I am glad that they are willing to wipe integral characters; it means no one is safe (as it should be in a zombie apocalypse). Last season, it felt like they were becoming afraid to kill important characters because people would be upset. I am glad that they have moved away from that.
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