Every man and his dog knew about the reckoning when it entered the game months ago so i find it very difficult to believe that it only came to NG attention this morning.
@nickc25 This has been discussed with support and they will gladly help out with anybody wishing to get a refund.
This is the kind of generic reply we get, although I appreciate the swift response. At the moment, I'm more bothered about the fact that I bought gas, spent a lot of time getting XP, using the XP, spending gold to speed up the upgrade than the body shot issue. It can't be right that a weapon can be sold with incorrect traits, for the player to them upgrade it, not realising the traits were incorrect, to be then given a brand new weapon that's not upgraded. Yeah the response is that I got two, I should be grateful kinda thing but I don't want two. So the gold I spent and the XP I spent should be refunded so I can then upgrade the new one to what the old one was, I'd then delete the old one or it should be deleted for me... thanks
Apply to Apple mate,... They will once again issue a refund,,, don't forget to mention the change from point of purchase,.. Don't forget to mention the two previous weapons that have acted in the way that made you purchase this one,...It works wonders,. If they say no ask to speak to a supervisor who will then refund you,.. All the best
Edit:- once you get a refund come back and post it on here,.. Let's others know there rights for a refund too
@Teeceezy the bigger issue with the reckonin now is this... It does less base damage then any other assault weapon. Hits a smaller number of zombies then an assault weapon. Also there are line of sight / range issues with it.
People thought that the lack of bodyshots was to make up for the limitations that i noted above with the weapon, like the extra reach of the Kingdom spear was offset by the lower base damage
Thing is with the Kingdom Spear, it was advertised as being able to strike two enemies at once. That was the selling point of the weapon and we went pretty far to make sure it was known. This never was the case with the Reckonin.
All due respect @Teeceezy, but I need to fact check you on that. The Kingdom Spear WAS advertised as being able to strike two enemies at once. However, you guys did NOT advertise or acknowledge (until pointed out by players on the forums) that the Kingdom Spear did lower damage.
Based on the fact that you guys have not always been very forthcoming about weapon traits and design, it's not UNREASONABLE for players to assume that the Reckonin' also had special properties (especially because, realistically, one wouldn't expect a grenade to "body shot" an enemy).
Disclaimer: I did not purchase and do not use the Reckonin'. In fact, I was probably one of the few idiots out there that didn't even know that it couldn't body shot zombies, so I am not personally invested in this discussion. I'm selfishly glad that this weapon got nerfed because I'll have 4 days of 1 minute gas this weekend, without paying anything or suffering any losses. Sorry to those players that were affected by this.
The molotov cocktail and grenade explosions should radiate out from the impact point... (kill/damage things even when the player/survivors cannot see them)
not having this is an understandable mistake...
Not fixing this now that you know it should... unacceptable
Is the molotov the only time that *fire* gives *bodyshots*?
Lol......they decided to make that a priority wow so many other things that need fixing. 3 kindergarten students could come up with a better zombie game.money hungry company
What ever point in the whole history of molitovs have you ever ever found a person or thing walking away having received just a body shot?? Doing less damage,.. The whole fecking point of a molitovs is maximum damage in a wide range dispersal,.. As soon as the bottle breaks the entire area ignites within a certain radious,.. I could throw it 5ft wide and still hit the target,....Your actions are completely ridiculas to say the least,.. Body shot,.. My arse,.. Maybe I'm pissed,.. Maybe I'm toxic,... Maybe I'm flaming,. But bet your bottom dollar I'm right what I'm saying,...
Thing is with the Kingdom Spear, it was advertised as being able to strike two enemies at once. That was the selling point of the weapon and we went pretty far to make sure it was known. This never was the case with the Reckonin.
But the reduced damage on the Spear was not 'advertised', but was intentional and also caused a stir because it wasn't advertised. Just because something isn't advertised doesn't mean it wasn't intentional.
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Bottom line is that we paid for a product and NG altered the product after the binding agreement was made. We knew it did not create body shots. We bought your product and you altered the agreement.
Now I see that refunds are being denied. NG games should go through all accounts that purchased and provide a refund. If I am refused my refund, I will sue. Anyone want to join me in a class action suit?
Please make this situation right. Refund our money or change it back. Additionally, why have there not been any changes to allow us to upgrade beyond level 20? Has been coming soon for a while although you seem to be able to fix issues the day you find out. I can't get past chapter 14 nightmare because I am out matched by raiders.
I too will be putting this game down for a while. There is no point of playing since I am maxed out with no missions. Plus this latest display is disturbing. You know NG, nothing wrong with saying sorry, we will fix it for you guys. Point of a game is to be entertained, not frustrated by your micro management and supposed "fixes".
We can add this to the Neverending list of screw jobs by NG along with reducing the range on our rifles, reducing the width on gold bore, reducing the effectiveness of interrupt, reducing the effectiveness of luck and dodge, trying to eliminate repeatable missions... Do I need to go on? People pay real money and invest millions of hard earned XP on gear based on the original traits then the developers later decide that they screwed up so they make changes after the fact that screw the players.
It's a good thing NG aren't responsible for any sports teams. They would be changing the rules half way through the games if they didn't like the way their original rules were working, even though all the players and the fans were happy.
Yeah Bodyshots on Molotov Cocktail sounds ridiculous. Putting wall to prevent us from reaching higher levels is naughty especially when the rewards on rec lvl 30 or lvl 23 are the same. I still don't understand whole idea and purpose about Bodyshots...
Can you imagine if the same logic applied to buying a car? So a dealer can say "We never advertised nor did we intend for your vehicle to be sold with 4 wheels. Although you already paid for the vehicle, we will be removing one of your wheels. For your understanding on this matter, we will discount your gas for this week." WTF!!!
Well though out NG. You really expanded your fan base with this one...
Come on next games..this is whack homie! You guys keep making changes like this and I am making a response video and logging of for life. Let us enjoy the game. Every time you make a change to a great attribute it upsets us. Why Don't you change the bruisers and make them better. Rufus wasn't hurting anyone. He was helping my outpost..now I am back to all reds in my logs.
So, the ingame support don't refund it. Google also don't refund it as far as i know from a guild mate right now. Just Apple Users got their refunds now.
What i should do now as an Android User? I feel tricked twice now, cause some Apple Users have two legendary reckonins now for free, cause they got their refund. But i have just 1 legendary reckonin that i had never ever bought if i knew it before that you will nerf the "no bodyshots" @teeceezy and @Shteevie
I have a "useless" weapon now i don't want and don't get my money back, while other players have two "useless" weapons for free now! That is fraudulent for me.
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If you do not actually kill a defender with the molotov, and instead of bleeding/burning out, the game crashes to desktop or simply doesn't trigger the next turn
I just don't understand the thinking here ...maybe it wasn't intended to have no body shots and therefore was more powerful than planned, but why didn't TPTB think "Oh, since it's a unique weapon and will make everyone want one, let's call it a happy mistake" instead of thinking "Eeeek! A bug! Let's fix it quick and piss everyone off!"
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What happened with "everything will be abailable for every player"? @Teeceezy
now people who spend money has privilege in weapons? Loosing credibility day by day. Well done!!
People who spend money can get weapons not offered any other way. That has been true for a while. There are multiple problems with this:
- Once they started offering good weapons for sale, it has been very difficult to get them any other way so people decide they need to buy them.
- Once the weapon has been sold, it often changes because things are "unbalanced". People spend money are upset because they didn't get what they thought they were paying for.
and yet, people still buy weapons thereby enabling NG's behavior.
Why are people who are disenfranchised by purchasing a nerfed weapon with no chance of refund complaining? NG is compensating you by offering four days of 1 minute gas refueling to the entire community. Sounds fair. Sarcasm intended.
Great way to start 2017. Starting with fraud. Class Action law suit in the making. I am so in. We need to network and get some international lawyers to sue Apple, AMC and this company in Finland called NextGames.
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I feel for everyone who bought this. I didn't but I don't understand why NG isn't refunding people if they choose they want one. They gave people the option for a refund on the silenced Rick pistol when the silence got nerfed or they could take the compensation package of extra XP and such. Seems fair because they aren't getting a major advantage if they get their money back and the reckonin.
Has anyone else had issues with the reckonin' disappearing? I did not delete mine and it just disappeared. Customer service said that there's nothing they can do. I'm pretty bummed.
Didn't buy the weapon, didn't even know it wasn't drawing bodyshots, but I have to agree the timing of the fix is pretty suspect, and I would be righteously angry if I had spent money on it with the expectation that no bodyshots was an intended feature and not a bug.
That said, I do find it amusing when posters try to selectively apply real world logic and argue the weapon should't bodyshot because real molotov cocktails don't bodyshot. Suddenly we're in RL physics and not game physics. In real life, you don'-t get two health bars either...
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Apply to Apple mate,... They will once again issue a refund,,, don't forget to mention the change from point of purchase,.. Don't forget to mention the two previous weapons that have acted in the way that made you purchase this one,...It works wonders,. If they say no ask to speak to a supervisor who will then refund you,.. All the best
Edit:- once you get a refund come back and post it on here,.. Let's others know there rights for a refund too
See here: http://forums.nextgames.com/walkingdead/discussion/17867/kingdom-spear-bundle/
Based on the fact that you guys have not always been very forthcoming about weapon traits and design, it's not UNREASONABLE for players to assume that the Reckonin' also had special properties (especially because, realistically, one wouldn't expect a grenade to "body shot" an enemy).
Disclaimer: I did not purchase and do not use the Reckonin'. In fact, I was probably one of the few idiots out there that didn't even know that it couldn't body shot zombies, so I am not personally invested in this discussion. I'm selfishly glad that this weapon got nerfed because I'll have 4 days of 1 minute gas this weekend, without paying anything or suffering any losses. Sorry to those players that were affected by this.
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not having this is an understandable mistake...
Not fixing this now that you know it should... unacceptable
Is the molotov the only time that *fire* gives *bodyshots*?
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What ever point in the whole history of molitovs have you ever ever found a person or thing walking away having received just a body shot?? Doing less damage,.. The whole fecking point of a molitovs is maximum damage in a wide range dispersal,.. As soon as the bottle breaks the entire area ignites within a certain radious,.. I could throw it 5ft wide and still hit the target,....Your actions are completely ridiculas to say the least,.. Body shot,.. My arse,.. Maybe I'm pissed,.. Maybe I'm toxic,... Maybe I'm flaming,. But bet your bottom dollar I'm right what I'm saying,...
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Bottom line is that we paid for a product and NG altered the product after the binding agreement was made. We knew it did not create body shots. We bought your product and you altered the agreement.
Now I see that refunds are being denied. NG games should go through all accounts that purchased and provide a refund. If I am refused my refund, I will sue. Anyone want to join me in a class action suit?
Please make this situation right. Refund our money or change it back. Additionally, why have there not been any changes to allow us to upgrade beyond level 20? Has been coming soon for a while although you seem to be able to fix issues the day you find out. I can't get past chapter 14 nightmare because I am out matched by raiders.
I too will be putting this game down for a while. There is no point of playing since I am maxed out with no missions. Plus this latest display is disturbing. You know NG, nothing wrong with saying sorry, we will fix it for you guys. Point of a game is to be entertained, not frustrated by your micro management and supposed "fixes".
It's a good thing NG aren't responsible for any sports teams. They would be changing the rules half way through the games if they didn't like the way their original rules were working, even though all the players and the fans were happy.
Shame on you NG. Shame, shame, shame....
Well though out NG. You really expanded your fan base with this one...
Come on next games..this is whack homie! You guys keep making changes like this and I am making a response video and logging of for life. Let us enjoy the game. Every time you make a change to a great attribute it upsets us. Why Don't you change the bruisers and make them better. Rufus wasn't hurting anyone. He was helping my outpost..now I am back to all reds in my logs.
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What i should do now as an Android User? I feel tricked twice now, cause some Apple Users have two legendary reckonins now for free, cause they got their refund. But i have just 1 legendary reckonin that i had never ever bought if i knew it before that you will nerf the "no bodyshots" @teeceezy and @Shteevie
I have a "useless" weapon now i don't want and don't get my money back, while other players have two "useless" weapons for free now! That is fraudulent for me.
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If you do not actually kill a defender with the molotov, and instead of bleeding/burning out, the game crashes to desktop or simply doesn't trigger the next turn
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- Once they started offering good weapons for sale, it has been very difficult to get them any other way so people decide they need to buy them.
- Once the weapon has been sold, it often changes because things are "unbalanced". People spend money are upset because they didn't get what they thought they were paying for.
and yet, people still buy weapons thereby enabling NG's behavior.
This thread may set a record for the fastest thread to 200 posts!
Remember what Daryl taught you....
I feel for everyone who bought this. I didn't but I don't understand why NG isn't refunding people if they choose they want one. They gave people the option for a refund on the silenced Rick pistol when the silence got nerfed or they could take the compensation package of extra XP and such. Seems fair because they aren't getting a major advantage if they get their money back and the reckonin.
My weapons, that I purchased, are working as advertised... Yup... Their traits are wonderful...
Nope... No problems with NextGames as concerning their actions, they are in business to make money... ( still no sarcasm... )
Oh yea... I did not buy the " Reckonin Weapon "
I'm just a happy gamer...
Any guess who might " now " be on my list, ( in 2017 )
That said, I do find it amusing when posters try to selectively apply real world logic and argue the weapon should't bodyshot because real molotov cocktails don't bodyshot. Suddenly we're in RL physics and not game physics. In real life, you don'-t get two health bars either...