NG, pls remove the 'low-lvl survivor' loophole

@Shteevie we understand NG is looking into this, and I would like to emphasize that this loophole is very annoying.
Players without low-lvl survivors cannot go back and re-create the same 'strategy', and it cannot be in the interest of the game
or fair to all other players.
I have been talking to several leaders of other guilds, and I haven't found any that would want to keep this loophole.
I am sure they will support this post, if that's necessary.
Thanks for keeping the game interesting and fair for all.
Players without low-lvl survivors cannot go back and re-create the same 'strategy', and it cannot be in the interest of the game
or fair to all other players.
I have been talking to several leaders of other guilds, and I haven't found any that would want to keep this loophole.
I am sure they will support this post, if that's necessary.
Thanks for keeping the game interesting and fair for all.
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Continuing to let this happen is very demoralizing to many players, especially the ones who actually invest in their survivors and support this game.
Thank you NG and @Shteevie for listening to your players and for doing what is right for all of us.
My dear Putchuco, you doesn't spoke with me and i can tell you i still love my low level fighters.
My God, i can't understand that so many great players didn't get over it finally. And always the same, always Conquer guild and RickRollers Guild beg for more restrictions to the game. You are very competitive guilds, always Top 2 - Top 5 global. So i assume you have a few of the best players in ur guild and everyone of them should be able to use LLS and have even much more fun. Cause i don't get your problem, i am also lvl 58, but still get good LLS from the radio tent. So if you want them, then just call for them and have fun.
After all this nerfs and restrictions in the past i lost so many great players who just wanted have fun with this game, so i don't want to lose more players just cause the next LLS nerf.
I think this game has much more other issues that are really much more annoying than a few low level fighters they are just fun.
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Ng consider it not an exploit but its certainly against the spirit of the game and how the game was intended to be played.
@Putchuco really sums it up well why it needs to be recitfued ASAP.
There is a thread explaining it in detail. Pls dont go and build your team around it, my take is you are missing out on the game itself and turn into a star-generating machine.
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There is a thread out there in Strategy section called Repeatables. It's one of the 1st posts in that sub-section of the forums.
If you can't find it, let me know and I will post the link.
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We all want to compete with ea other, but on a fair and level playing field, not with some strange loopholes.
I do agree there are other problems that might need attention also, but this 'LLS loophole' combined with OP wrestling turns this game on its head.
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I'm dumbfounded that some people have the nerve to actually protest that they want to continue to use this so called 'strategy' and still call it a fair game.
It's not a loophole or exploit for me, it's a normal game mechanic since the beginning of the game.
So use it or get finally over it.
For me are exploits like Week One used much more annoying than LLS.
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Saying it's unfair is like saying it's an unfair advantage to offer things with real money that can paying customers can have advantage over non paying if it's a unique weapon i.e.: Reckonin, Kingdom spear, Morgans staff... So should NG stop selling weapons bundles also because it's unfair? Smh!
Also I don't know how this would be a obscene star generating strategy, it may only help on 1 mission per challenge.. I'd hardly call that groundbreaking under the new challenge system!
Edit: The people who racked up over 1300 stars got there because of the hunter boost NOT because of LLS!
My second account level 14 survivors got to level 20 and I have no gear upgraded for them and am f2p on that account and could have gone further.. Just an example!
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Becasue they avoid healing costs, they can attempt many times without having to pay gold for infinite attempts.
And for the "fairness" If I, a maxed player can pull this, can't anyone? Rhetorical, yes anyone can. Maybe not a lvl 1-3 but I assume healing for a lvl 9 is not bad. And over the last 2 weeks they have named a new wing for me over at NG General with the amount I've spent in healing.
I mean is it fair people have a Legendary Carl? I can't get Carl so that's not fair, I can't afford the kingdom spear so that's not fair.
It's really getting absurd the jealousy people have on the way others have fun, so they try and legislate how everyone should play the way that they play.
I get the point, game is not designed for a lvl 1 guy to beat a lvl 25 mission, and if we went point for point on the argument I would loose.
Being fair is a weak argument. Holding true to "proper" game mechanics on the other hand is a valid arguement
NG, please let the players voice their concerns and do not close this thread.
People deserve to have a voice in this matter.
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If the crux of why people are upset on what Player X does is because that player might do better than they do then I don't understand.
If this is the global leader board we are talking about don't the top hitters pay vast sums of money already to stay/get there? I'm sure some don't. I'm sure some are FTP and have mad skills and devotion. But I would bet that 80% of the top 20 pay, and have the means to keep paying.
So in the vein of fairness won't these people just pay 24 gold to heal instead of one or free healing? Or is it the other way around? Hmm
Are people that are paying a lot of money upset that the plebs can compete by investing less resources.
I really could care less. It's just very interesting when people are passionate on either side of an issue. Especially the juxtaposition of the feelings on the issue. It seems one side right for the wrong reasons, and the other is wrong for the right reasons.
Mark my words. The low levels into a mission will not be fixed, but the mechanics of the Wrestler trait will.
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I will leave this thread and will have fun with my LLS again as long as it is still possible. That's more worth. Have fun guys
Just a few examples
Stage 2 - Gate Crashing - repeatable with 3 Scouts + wrestler trait:
https://vid.me/QuSa
Red Carpet lvl 30 repeatable:
https://vid.me/uDl2
shelves repeatable
https://vid.me/juOZ
Shine a Light RSL 27/1 with 3 Scouts + wrestler trait:
vid.me/bAGp
Killing Zone RSL 27/1 with 3 Scouts + wrestler trait:
vid.me/A39E
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Arnold Schwarzenegger has admitted to using anabolic steroids during his competition days but he has said time and time again that if his competitors were not using steroids than he wouldn't have to either and he was right. He was so much better than his competition at the time because he developed weight lifting principles no one had discovered before that the only way they could keep up with him was using steroids. At that point they did pass him and he had to start using steroids to keep up with them. Had everyone been playing fair you would have had no one on steroids and Arnold beating everyone like he did still.
Does this sound familiar?
Edit: I'm not saying anyone here is so good they are Arnold and people have to cheat to keep up. What I'm saying is that problems in the challenges often cause people to do things they wouldn't have to do otherwise.
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I don't use this LLS strategy but...
This request is like a double edge sword asking for more nerfs which is something no one wants to see going forward.
If you want this remove then most likely they will have to nerf the wrestler trait which is a shame because they have sold many jackets and bundles with the wrestler trait and it will be very disappointing if they take that approach.
If they nerf lvl 9 survivors to not work on like lvl 20s, then that means they will nerf our lvl 20 survivors to not work on like lvl 30s.
The difference between LLS and HLS is of course hospital time and gold to heal.
So let's see they fix this LLS problem, what about the gap between a paying and free players each week on the leaderboards?
If you want to get past 1200+ stars each week then most likely you need a gas booster which sure creates more of an imbalance towards someone without one. I wouldn't have been able to score 1395 stars last week without that booster and hunter's bonus.
This is a difficult discussion and unfortunate situation why it has to come to this.
They already nerf interrupt, luck, and dodge which suck for many of us who invested our builds around that in the past.
Now that we have moved beyond and past that; most of my jackets have wrestler and I hate to repeat this because I'm paranoid about more nerfs...is to please just don't nerf that.
Thank You
But NG was concerned about the "spirit of the game" - whatever that means.I personally don't have a position on the whole LLS debate - every game has a player base that is clever, creative + will push the limits of the game - which we as a player community have amply demonstrated that we can do in this game. Am I jealous because I don't have any well-equipped LLS to utilize this strategy? Hell yes. Because I thought the "spirit of the game" was to make our survivors stronger, and to upgrade them to make them better fighters and survivors. At the same time, I can appreciate the tactical benefit of using lower level survivors to beat the game system - but is that really in the "spirit of the game"? So do I start grooming some of my LLS to take advantage of this tactic, or do I wait and see what NG decides is the "spirit of the game"?
@Shteevie @Teeceezy what is the "spirit of the game"?