Think before you complain

JayZ

There's a tendency on these boards to complain about anything and everything, and sometimes those complaints have unintended consequences.

A lot of people complained about the grind of the new challenge system (I was NOT one of those people)... even though rewards were already better, gas costs were lower, you could advance through the challenge faster, and there were already significantly fewer low level missions. So what does NG do? They add +1 RSL to the starting point without adjusting the rewards accordingly.

Before, I was able to make it to the 860 reward tier easily if I 3-starred every challenge mission up to RSL 25. Now that we skip RSL 14, I won't quite make it to 860 unless I start getting into RSL 25, which is usually when I face hospital time.

So here's my plea to you all: Do continue complaining, I can't stop that. But when you people complain, do so intelligently. Instead of saying things like "omg this sucks, so much grind," say things like "I wish there was a bit less grind, but that rewards are adjusted accordingly if the challenge structure is altered."

Think about the consequences of your complaints. For example, @TransmuteJun has, in every challenge related discussion that I've seen, cautioned people against being too eager for change if that change reduces long-term rewards. Be more like @TransmuteJun.

Off to go bang out a couple more stars so I can hit 860 and call it quits on this challenge.

*drops mic*

Xcal1bur

Couldn't agree more. In the first days of the challenge 2.0 there were so many complaints stating it was the same boring grind that I simply stopped trying to understand the logic behind those threads.

Now we've got 1 minute gas (I know, it's not gonna be every challenge) and playing just casually I'm about to hit my wall for this week. And its just Saturday morning!

DonCoqui

LOL... I'm seeing 2.5 from a renewed diff perspective since quitting the game... the sooner i hit my max, the more of my life i get back... and going at it w/o purchases makes even better. Quite a freeing feeling!

TJCart

JayZ said:

Instead of saying things like "omg this sucks, so much grind," say things like "I wish there was a bit less grind, but that rewards are adjusted accordingly if the challenge structure is altered."

The biggest issue with what you're saying is that the second complaint falls into the TL:DR bucket. If complaints are too descriptive and well worded, then people get.... by the way have they fixed the stun resistance, yet?

Jaden

Yeah, I am still waiting for the people who had been complaining before now starting to complain that they get less stars/rewards...

wrinkled_bag

Lol @JayZ
You are complaining about players complaining.
Priceless

quitJOSHin

@JayZ and instead of adjusting them accordingly they actually lowered the rewards

http://forums.nextgames.com/walkingdead/discussion/24324/reduced-guild-rewards

andy75

Yep. Had I had the one more more challenge round that was taken away I would have hit 1k stars for the first time. Thanks! Lol

JayZ

> @wrinkled_bag said:
> Lol @JayZ
> You are complaining about players complaining.
> Priceless

Hah, that is ironic, isn't it? At least I followed my own advice and included a constructive suggestion while complaining!

Vudnik

Especially after Teeceezy's promise of greater stars than before. It's laughable. If I hadn't coughed a bunch of bucks a long time ago I'd be laughing even harder now, cause what else can you do? Complain? .... Falls on deaf ears.

Tapatio75

Yup, I only get to 740 star so I can do other stuff, but losing those 30+ star from level 14 because of the cry babies meant that I had to spend time in the hospital and there's no reason to keep going for less rewards

TransmuteJun

JayZ said:

@TransmuteJun has, in every challenge related discussion that I've seen, cautioned people against being too eager for change if that change reduces long-term rewards. Be more like @TransmuteJun.


*drops mic*

Be more like @TransmuteJun . Got it!

Wait a minute....

vshield50

Is he complaining about complaining?

blynknz

I agree on
- If you complain, try and provide some alternatives or something constructive. However I do remember seeing solutions provided during the complaining.

I disagree on
- That it is our fault for complaining. It is actually the way that NG plan and implement things

Captainslayer

Just remember before you complain about something remember all the nerfs that have come from complaints e.g basically ranged nerfed because we wanted melee buffed(stronger walkers) bullet dodge, dodge, luck, interupt I could go on, compared to the buffs we got e.g umm not sure i think there are some? and actually getting what we wants

RedEye52

The whole situation is paradoxical, really. I was just reading another thread about unintended consequences of this update. Someone pointed out that NG says we on the forums are only about 1% of the player base, so they rarely listen to us when we complain about what they've done. And yet, here we are talking about how when they do listen, they screw things up for us. Both are completely true, but seem to be opposite one another.

Someone put it very well, but I don't remember who. We may have legitimate issues that need to be addressed, or we may not. But it seems that more often than not, when NG "fixes" something they go waaaaaaaay overboard. I'm sure I don't need to just examples, but think about it. They don't do anything subtly. For them, it's "go big or go home!" It would be nice if they just kept it simple and only focused on the problem at hand, instead of the entire freaking game universe. Remember the old adage NG, K.I.S.S. Keep It Simple Silly.

Chisp

People have been complaining non stop: "this is boring, that is an annoying grind, demand things, complain that something that was given for FREE should be legendary, that it takes too long to update, that they rush the update, that the prices are too high when you DON'T have to buy that stuff, threaten to quit playing if something doesn't go their way...as if 1 or 5 or even 20 players leave it would kill the game!"

People that likely doesn't know anything about software development. I don't agree with all design decisions on this game, but I enjoy greatly playing it and am anxious to see new things and changes when they make them. But it's obvious people don't foresee what can happen when they simply complain about it and not give suggestions. First it is impossible to always make everyone happy, but if you're not happy, suggest something different and hope you get support on that idea for NG to notice it and that to become reality in the game...Just my idea, or keep complaining.

JayZ

Bump because someone today said that Bruisers were overpowered (LOL), stun resistance was too strong (no, it's just right), and dodge occurs too often (hasn't been true since mid-2016).

nadecir

You know something is very wrong when players are fearful of giving honest feedback about the game. I guess this is what happens when the general player population perceives that there are a lot more nerfs than actual improvements in the game.

There is a feeling that over the last 6 months or so NG has looked at their data and decided that players are able to kill at too high a RSL. Perhaps they believe that when a player can kill at RSL+5 or greater, it wrecks the game balance. Given the level of rewards, I really don't see that as a problem.

It would be nice if NG decided that allowing players to kill stuff at significant higher levels was really okay. That's why we play, to kill stuff. More killing = more fun. I hope that NG can adopt this idea for future updates to this game.