please wait to run supply events (if they are ran) until the council upgrade is available. it will be useless to maxed players if it runs before you can spend the soup
Wow, apparently I'm clearly in the minority here, but a council upgrade sounds great to me and I'm only at level 59. The point of these games is the grind... always having something to work toward. Once you reach the max what's the point? Searching for gear/survivor just a little bit better than what you have? Now that boring to me.
I know that I have previously announced that we wouldn't have a council upgrade in 2.10. It was planned for later, but we thought that it would fit together with the balance changes we are doing in the game for next week (together with the new challenge settings). I'm really sorry for any trouble it may have caused.
Some of the changes, (like higher-level items dropping on high-level missions) are happening now and we should have the new Council Upgrade somewhere next week.
And btw, we won't have a timer for this challenge as well and probably never again.
@Kaz You mention balance changes in this post. This usually implies changes to damage and health, either with survivors, enemies, or equipment. Are there changes to survivor classes or equipment coming next week?
There are a number of seemingly positive features in this soon-to-be Update, and for that I thank you. But, I’m going to be a little sad scrapping all my recently bought (but already outdated) Winter-bundle weapons for XP...
And somewhat a tragic comedy to think many will be searching their wardrobe for that damn training-gear armor that will become fashionable to wear on the streets again?
I'm at level 55 with level 20 survivors. When I started playing 6 months ago I decided that I wanted the highest level survivors with enough legendary gear to deck out any combination of survivors. So I set out with that goal in mind. After reading the news today about an upcoming Council upgrade I really started to question why I'm still playing this game especially with warm weather just around the corner. I'm all for a challenge and knowing that my "end game days" got pushed back a bit sucks, but what is worse is how a company outright LIED to it's customers and has yet to address this, let alone acknowledge it. That doesn't sit well with me.
Also, with the changes to the Challenge, why should I bother upgrading at this point? Once I get to level 21 I'm going to have a more difficult time due to a higher starting level which means harder levels sooner, which makes the grind worse. Why not stay at level 20 and do the Challenge missions? This doesn't seem very well thought out by NG.
Another thing that some might not pay much attention to are the events. Take this Carol event for example. It's all fine and dandy that I COULD get enough tokens to make my Carol legendary, but why should I? I'd be rewarded with a level 20 weapon that would be useless to me as soon as I hit level 21. Is that worth the grind, the phones, the time spent? All for a piece of useless equipment on a class that I don't even use because it's nearly worthless. This event is for end gamers and high level players for the most part. NG could fix that by allowing equipment to be upgraded indefinitely. But since it isn't, I don't buy weapon bundles in the shop and they don't get my money. It seems like they'd make the changes to allow equipment to not only be upgraded indefinitely, but to also be customized so traits can be swapped out. This would also allow end gamers another use for their supplies.
My final thought about "the grind"...what does it say to a developer when the number 1 suggestion on their number 1 game mode is that players want the developers to find a way for the players to play less. This wouldn't be recommended so frequently if the game were actually fun anymore.
I probably in the minority, but I didn't like the starting difficulty lvl of the UC's because I just got to lvl 23 hero/survivor and 3 one pink star regular toons that aren't as good as most of my herosand no pink star hero's...it put me to my max difficulty lvl to quick and my star counts were so bad and depressing...
Just a different piont of view...the rest is very nice, but really could use those round passes every 3 rounds instead of every 5 and I know everyone agrees with that much.
Ok when do I have to have my council to 22 to get the level 24 version of the kingdom spear, and how many tomatoes is it going to cost to max my council?
Damn you NG! This is now the 4th time you guys moved max level.
For me, re: the council upgrades, the MAIN thing that happens is this:
At lvl20 Survivors, we were guaranteed lvl20 gear with x lvl camp. An update came and as i hit that camp level, I only got lvl19/20 gear.
At lvl21 Survivors, we were guaranteed lvl21 gear with x lvl camp. An update came and as i hit that camp level, I only got lvl20/21 gear.
At lvl22 Survivors, we were guaranteed lvl22 gear with x lvl camp. An update came and as i hit that camp level, I only got lvl21/22 gear.
At lvl23 Survivors, we were guaranteed lvl23 gear with x lvl camp. An update is due, and now, when i get to lvl67, I'll likely get just lvl22/23 gear, whilst the rest have been getting lvl23 only.
> @JayZ said:
> The other stuff is really good, but of course it's always one step forward and two steps back with each update.
>
> Personally, I think of this update as two steps forward, one step back.
Fair enough. I actually did kinda think that after I posted it. It's just bumming me out that the council upgrade is overshadowing the rest of the good stuff.
Are my 3 little 1 pink star regular survivors that are still lower damage and health to my legendary hero's going to increase my starting difficulty. I have 3plus lvl 23 hero's/ survivors but not 3 lvl 23 pinks.
U fricking liars @NG, U explicitly told us there would be no council update within 2.10, especially reassuring this regarding the winter weapon sales discussion
So @kaz@Shteevie I bought your winter weapons bundle based on NG promising no council upgrade. 1 x winter assault rifle, 1 x winter hunting rifle, 1 x ice pick, 2 x flare guns which are now useless and all the xp I havde used to upgrade them. I suggest you make weapons upgradeable passed lvl23 or your going to refund my purchases for the lie right ? I would NOT have bought these if you had been honest in the first place. Or your going to compensate me in some other way right ?
What sort of business are you running when you lie to your customers?
@Drunken I wish I had taken your advise as you were right. @Samstown I'm in the same boat there, really pissed off at NG for this lie.
> @The_Overcomer said:
> So @kaz@Shteevie I bought your winter weapons bundle based on NG promising no council upgrade. 1 x winter assault rifle, 1 x winter hunting rifle, 1 x ice pick, 2 x flare guns which are now useless and all the xp I havde used to upgrade them. I suggest you make weapons upgradeable passed lvl23 or your going to refund my purchases for the lie right ? I would NOT have bought these if you had been honest in the first place. Or your going to compensate me in some other way right ?
>
> What sort of business are you running when you lie to your customers?
>
> @Drunken I wish I had taken your advise as you were right. @Samstown I'm in the same boat there, really pissed off at NG for this lie.
@Techfall nope they will not respond to it and continue to duck it until something else comes up. It seems no weekend event is the answer. The focus of forums is starting to shift to that. We are fickle here on the forums like that when the wind changes so do we.
@Kaz as you are encouraging people to push themselves into taking on higher levels, have you any thoughts regarding reducing healing time? Inevitably survivors are more likely to get injured at the higher levels, as walkers hit harder and interrupt and dodge stop working. It would be nice to believe these changes are to allow people to enjoy a more exciting challenge, rather than as a way of making people spend more gold to complete the same number of levels as they did in the old system.
Just want to clarify for some from @DLich 's above post
Dlich said ..
"The Kingdom spear will be lvl 24 for players with council lvl 22 (basically the ability to upgrade your toons to lvl 23) so anyone who is an end gamer now (camp lvl 67) who earns the spear will get it at lvl 24. This is good!!"
I clarified this directly and you won't need to be level 67 camp, just Council Level 22 . I spent a crazy Amount of radios and time farming tomatoes just to get Carol to legendary and my workshop upgraded to get a level 23 Scout , but I'm nowhere close to level 67 camp . (Still need to upgrade 4x tomato storage, walker pit , gas car , workshop etc.)
NG actually did something very thoughtful here by giving the players who worked hard for the spear one that won't be obsolete quick . I look forward to admiring my level 24 spear until I am able to use it
New Challenge format as promised - Great. I'm optimistic, but we'll see how it plays out.
Changes to gold crates and drops - Sure. Not something I was personally worried about, but lots of people get angry about this. So, great.
New council level - Continuing to increase the grind, preventing new players from ever maxing out without spending money. I just finished my last upgrade for Player Level 67. I am nowhere near maxed on supplies.I still have a bunch of heroes to get to 23 and some new survivors I'd love to try out if I could ever find the time to level them. I've been playing for at least 18 months and have never been at max level until now, and that won't even be allowed to last. I think the constant council upgrades is a huge flaw in this game, but apparently part of the only working business model they have. Woe is me. But personal pity aside
it's COMPLETELY CONTRARY to NG's prior statements, but they decided it "fits" with the already announced challenge change we have all been demanding for months and the previously unannounced "balance" change of gear drops. I am gonna have to call bullshit on this. There are only 2 real changes. The workshop and training grounds are not new or special features, they are the exact direct result of the council increase.
[Scavenger change might be a change, but I don't even know how to interpret it. " Players with the upgraded Scavenger will also no longer find Common Components in the Components Shop." Does this mean the literal hundreds of common components I have are now more worthless than before? Will they just disappear? Or does it just mean I will find 2* and better components from now on?] In any case, new council level has absolutely nothing to do with the other changes. This is some rhetorical voodoo effort to justify a complete falsehood spoken just a few weeks ago. I would love to know what went on behind the scenes to make this happen, and effectively destroy all the goodwill that has been earned in the last month or two with the improved forum communication. Not as improved as one might hope, apparently.
edited for bold, and to say this: When you pull something egregious enough that causes Mabiki to call you out, it either means he's completely wasted drunk or you're definitely doing something wrong. In this case, I'm only on my second beer.
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@Kaz
And somewhat a tragic comedy to think many will be searching their wardrobe for that damn training-gear armor that will become fashionable to wear on the streets again?
Also, with the changes to the Challenge, why should I bother upgrading at this point? Once I get to level 21 I'm going to have a more difficult time due to a higher starting level which means harder levels sooner, which makes the grind worse. Why not stay at level 20 and do the Challenge missions? This doesn't seem very well thought out by NG.
Another thing that some might not pay much attention to are the events. Take this Carol event for example. It's all fine and dandy that I COULD get enough tokens to make my Carol legendary, but why should I? I'd be rewarded with a level 20 weapon that would be useless to me as soon as I hit level 21. Is that worth the grind, the phones, the time spent? All for a piece of useless equipment on a class that I don't even use because it's nearly worthless. This event is for end gamers and high level players for the most part. NG could fix that by allowing equipment to be upgraded indefinitely. But since it isn't, I don't buy weapon bundles in the shop and they don't get my money. It seems like they'd make the changes to allow equipment to not only be upgraded indefinitely, but to also be customized so traits can be swapped out. This would also allow end gamers another use for their supplies.
My final thought about "the grind"...what does it say to a developer when the number 1 suggestion on their number 1 game mode is that players want the developers to find a way for the players to play less. This wouldn't be recommended so frequently if the game were actually fun anymore.
When I’m the voice of reason everyone should be afraid, so I’m biting my tongue in an effort to not poison all of ya’s one way or another.
Just a different piont of view...the rest is very nice, but really could use those round passes every 3 rounds instead of every 5 and I know everyone agrees with that much.
Please!!!
For me, re: the council upgrades, the MAIN thing that happens is this:
At lvl20 Survivors, we were guaranteed lvl20 gear with x lvl camp. An update came and as i hit that camp level, I only got lvl19/20 gear.
At lvl21 Survivors, we were guaranteed lvl21 gear with x lvl camp. An update came and as i hit that camp level, I only got lvl20/21 gear.
At lvl22 Survivors, we were guaranteed lvl22 gear with x lvl camp. An update came and as i hit that camp level, I only got lvl21/22 gear.
At lvl23 Survivors, we were guaranteed lvl23 gear with x lvl camp. An update is due, and now, when i get to lvl67, I'll likely get just lvl22/23 gear, whilst the rest have been getting lvl23 only.
Cheers NG...
> The other stuff is really good, but of course it's always one step forward and two steps back with each update.
>
> Personally, I think of this update as two steps forward, one step back.
Fair enough. I actually did kinda think that after I posted it. It's just bumming me out that the council upgrade is overshadowing the rest of the good stuff.
So @kaz @Shteevie I bought your winter weapons bundle based on NG promising no council upgrade. 1 x winter assault rifle, 1 x winter hunting rifle, 1 x ice pick, 2 x flare guns which are now useless and all the xp I havde used to upgrade them. I suggest you make weapons upgradeable passed lvl23 or your going to refund my purchases for the lie right ? I would NOT have bought these if you had been honest in the first place. Or your going to compensate me in some other way right ?
What sort of business are you running when you lie to your customers?
@Drunken I wish I had taken your advise as you were right. @Samstown I'm in the same boat there, really pissed off at NG for this lie.
> So @kaz @Shteevie I bought your winter weapons bundle based on NG promising no council upgrade. 1 x winter assault rifle, 1 x winter hunting rifle, 1 x ice pick, 2 x flare guns which are now useless and all the xp I havde used to upgrade them. I suggest you make weapons upgradeable passed lvl23 or your going to refund my purchases for the lie right ? I would NOT have bought these if you had been honest in the first place. Or your going to compensate me in some other way right ?
>
> What sort of business are you running when you lie to your customers?
>
> @Drunken I wish I had taken your advise as you were right. @Samstown I'm in the same boat there, really pissed off at NG for this lie.
Yall gonna respond to this or nah?
IN NG I TRUST
Dlich said ..
"The Kingdom spear will be lvl 24 for players with council lvl 22 (basically the ability to upgrade your toons to lvl 23) so anyone who is an end gamer now (camp lvl 67) who earns the spear will get it at lvl 24. This is good!!"
I clarified this directly and you won't need to be level 67 camp, just Council Level 22 . I spent a crazy Amount of radios and time farming tomatoes just to get Carol to legendary and my workshop upgraded to get a level 23 Scout , but I'm nowhere close to level 67 camp . (Still need to upgrade 4x tomato storage, walker pit , gas car , workshop etc.)
NG actually did something very thoughtful here by giving the players who worked hard for the spear one that won't be obsolete quick . I look forward to admiring my level 24 spear until I am able to use it
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Changes to gold crates and drops - Sure. Not something I was personally worried about, but lots of people get angry about this. So, great.
New council level - Continuing to increase the grind, preventing new players from ever maxing out without spending money. I just finished my last upgrade for Player Level 67. I am nowhere near maxed on supplies.I still have a bunch of heroes to get to 23 and some new survivors I'd love to try out if I could ever find the time to level them. I've been playing for at least 18 months and have never been at max level until now, and that won't even be allowed to last. I think the constant council upgrades is a huge flaw in this game, but apparently part of the only working business model they have. Woe is me. But personal pity aside
it's COMPLETELY CONTRARY to NG's prior statements, but they decided it "fits" with the already announced challenge change we have all been demanding for months and the previously unannounced "balance" change of gear drops.
I am gonna have to call bullshit on this. There are only 2 real changes. The workshop and training grounds are not new or special features, they are the exact direct result of the council increase.
[Scavenger change might be a change, but I don't even know how to interpret it. " Players with the upgraded Scavenger will also no longer find Common Components in the Components Shop." Does this mean the literal hundreds of common components I have are now more worthless than before? Will they just disappear? Or does it just mean I will find 2* and better components from now on?]
In any case, new council level has absolutely nothing to do with the other changes. This is some rhetorical voodoo effort to justify a complete falsehood spoken just a few weeks ago. I would love to know what went on behind the scenes to make this happen, and effectively destroy all the goodwill that has been earned in the last month or two with the improved forum communication. Not as improved as one might hope, apparently.
edited for bold, and to say this:
When you pull something egregious enough that causes Mabiki to call you out, it either means he's completely wasted drunk or you're definitely doing something wrong. In this case, I'm only on my second beer.
I’m adoring you right now.