Starting levels for 2.10

valereeevalereee Member Posts: 179
edited April 2018 in Strategy Discussion
If folks will post their starting levels, I'll update this:

- Players with three survivors at Level 2 will start at Difficulty 2
- Players with three survivors at Level 6 will start at Difficulty 5
- Players with three survivors at Level 10 will start at Difficulty 8
- Players with three survivors at Level 13 will start at Difficulty 10
- Players with three survivors at Level 14 will start at Difficulty 10
- Players with three survivors at Level 15 will start at Difficulty 11
- Players with three survivors at Level 17 will start at Difficulty 13
- Players with three survivors at Level 19 will start at Difficulty 14
- Players with three survivors at Level 20 will start at Difficulty 15
- Players with three survivors at Level 21 will start at Difficulty 16
- Players with three survivors at Level 22 will start at Difficulty 17
- Players with three survivors of Level 23 will start at Difficulty 17
- Players with three survivors at Level 24 will start at Difficulty 17

The level at which you start getting two rounds per level is based on the average of your top three survivors, round to the closest whole number and then subtract 2. So 20 + 20 + 21 = 61, average is 20.3 which rounds down to 20, subtract 2 = 18. 20 + 21 + 21 = 62, average is 20.6 which rounds up to 21, subtract 2 = 19.

CAVEAT: Do not assume that having, say, two survivors at 22 and the rest at 21 will not raise you to start at difficulty 17. Similarly don't assume that having one at 24, one at 21, and the rest at 20 can be predicted from the above. There's a formula, and it may not be the same formula as before.
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  • CBgaming1969CBgaming1969 Member Posts: 1,359
    I'll let you know next challenge about 3 lvl 24's
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  • NubTubedNubTubed Member Posts: 31
    I started this challenge at lvl 2 with three survivors at lvl 2
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  • JadenJaden Member Posts: 3,007
    3 or more 24s is still 17.
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  • shaunatthepubshaunatthepub Member Posts: 42
    I have two level 22 and the others at level 21. My challenge started at 16.
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  • valereeevalereee Member Posts: 179
    Updated so far, still looking to fill in the gaps
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  • CBgaming1969CBgaming1969 Member Posts: 1,359
    edited March 2018
    @valereee I can confirm 3 level 24's start at 17.
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  • NubTubedNubTubed Member Posts: 31
    1 lvl 7 rest lvl 6, started at 5
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  • ShadowaceAzShadowaceAz Member Posts: 3,397
    edited March 2018
    valereee said:

    Updated so far, still looking to fill in the gaps

    Obviously not counting round passes!
    Had:
    One 20, rest 19 started at 14
    Now:
    Two 20, rest 19 started at 15
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  • valereeevalereee Member Posts: 179

    valereee said:

    Updated so far, still looking to fill in the gaps

    Obviously not counting round passes!
    Had:
    One 20, rest 19 started at 14
    Now:
    Two 20, rest 19 started at 15
    Ugh, so a single 20 starts at 14 but two will start at 15...that sucks!
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  • ShadowaceAzShadowaceAz Member Posts: 3,397
    Yes ma'am cause in some weird mathematical (@DLich) sort of way it is based off your top 3 players, just like the scavenger missions. What I don't know is if they made some variation that alters it based on pink stars like scavenger missions.

    So maybe, if you are collecting data, ask for the top 3 survivors total. Not just the used most often ones.
    As well as asking what pink stars the most they have, example...

    For me it would be;
    Starting level 15
    Top 3 survivors: 20, 20, 19
    Top 3 pinks: 2 ✯, 1 ✯, 1 ✯
    Those pink stars are not the same 3 survivors as my top 3.

    Does that make sense? With a spreadsheet of that from enough people, MathMan could probably figure it all out.
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  • ShadowaceAzShadowaceAz Member Posts: 3,397

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    @valereee
    Ok, I am an idiot. Please disregard the numbers I gave before. I forgot about my Scout.!!!.

    So I went from 20, 20, 19 starting at 14
    To 20, 20, 20 starting at 15!
    Starting level 15
    Top 3 survivors: 20, 20, 20
    Top 3 pinks: 2 ✯, 1 ✯, 1 ✯
    My pinks are 2 pink on a scout. 1 pink on a hunter. 1 pink on a shooter
    My 20's are scout, assault, assault.

    Sorry about being an idiot earlier posts.. I don't use the scout often so forgot until I just went on a star count.

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  • David_H79David_H79 Moderator Posts: 1,866
    edited March 2018
    I don’t think that pinkstars increases the starting difficulty in challenge.
    It wasn’t the way before and I guess it is still the same.

    Edit: typo
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  • MovadoMovado Member Posts: 863
    Pink stars didn’t affect starting RSL. You just get to begin the RSL with a little bit of extra swag.

    Here’s to add to your spreadsheet: with three lvl 17’s, the starting RSL is 13. Don’t ask me how I know that.
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  • valereeevalereee Member Posts: 179
    I think pink stars only affect your RSL on scavenge missions?
    David_H79 said:

    I don’t think that pinkstars increases the starting difficulty in challenge.

    It wasn’t the way before and I guess it is still the same.



    Edit: typo

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  • valereeevalereee Member Posts: 179
    Updated to here
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  • valereeevalereee Member Posts: 179
    edited March 2018
    Okay, so it's looking like we're still using a calculated survivor level based on the average of your top three survivors, is that correct @DLich? The remaining question is whether your calculated survivor level is a straight averaging or some complicated formula like .7(AVE) +1 then rounded up or something. (Not bothering to ping Kaz or Teeceezy since they're clearly ignoring any thread that mentions starting level, lol)
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  • TJSTJS Member Posts: 4,501
    No point tagging Teeceezy @valereee
    He left the forum some weeks ago.
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  • KazKaz Member Posts: 1,423
    valereee said:

    Okay, so it's looking like we're still using a calculated survivor level based on the average of your top three survivors, is that correct @DLich? The remaining question is whether your calculated survivor level is a straight averaging or some complicated formula like .7(AVE) +1 then rounded up or something. (Not bothering to ping Kaz or Teeceezy since they're clearly ignoring any thread that mentions starting level, lol)

    Haha, sorry about that! We usually don't answer when we have already answered the same question in another thread. Because then the community is usually faster and answers it for us. But you are correct, the levels of the challenges are still based on the average of your top three survivors. We don't use share the formulas behind the game, but the logic is basically: the higher the level of your survivors is, the further you go. And then the game makes the calculation for you and show you your starting level as soon as you start the Challenge Missions.

    Regarding the release notes, the starting levels mentioned there are examples to be used as guidelines. But since it seems this is a topic that players are interested overall, I was thinking about pinning this thread in the "Strategy Discussion" category, what do you think? :)
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  • I_Am_PsychoI_Am_Psycho Member Posts: 1,431
    It could have said example starting points. I interpreted it as absolute thresholds. So took that to mean no change to RSL if I took the plunge training a 3rd to level 21.

    But I knew the risk I was taking. Documentation has been flawed before.

    So far as I can see, from level 19 it goes up one EVERY time until level 22 is reached. At which point there is no increase.

    @valereee you may as well add level 19 starts at RSL 14.

    It does make me wonder why they gave any examples at all.
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  • valereeevalereee Member Posts: 179
    edited March 2018
    @Kaz I think it's a good idea. It's not that we need the formula (though with enough information we'll eventually figure it out), we just need to know when we're going to go up a level. And it's not that we don't want to eventually go up a level -- we just want to know WHEN so we can plan well. At starting level 16 I could get 800+ stars and 4 round passes. Training to 22s I started at 17 and could only get 700+ stars (which meant I was letting down my guild) and 3 round passes. If I'd known I would be starting at 17, I'd have upgraded gear first and THEN trained. This is an extremely important issue for higher-level players who push to maximize stars each week. Of all the ways to piss people off, being surprised when they open challenge and find they're starting at a higher level than expected is a doozy. :)
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  • valereeevalereee Member Posts: 179
    TJS said:

    No point tagging Teeceezy @valereee
    He left the forum some weeks ago.
    Teeceezy's Farwell Thread

    Oops, lol! Updated to here.
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  • skoshiskoshi Member Posts: 35
    @valereee
    Just got this info from Help Desk:

    “Starting difficulty and where you start to get two rounds at a difficulty level are two different things.

    I spoke directly to the game designer and this was his reply, "It’s based on the player’s average level among their top three. So, that average number -2 is where they start seeing more than one round per difficulty"

    Last week your average was 19.3*, so round down to 19, minus 2, equals difficulty 17 for two rounds.
    This week your average is 19.6*, now it rounds up to 20, minus 2, equals difficulty 18 for two rounds.

    Hope that clears it up!”

    —- My starting difficulty has been the same, Difficulty 14, but after my 4 round passes are applied, I end up at different levels. Last week I started at 17.2 after 4 round passes. This week it went to 18.1. There was no 17.2, meaning it went straight from 17.1 to 18.1.
  • ShadowaceAzShadowaceAz Member Posts: 3,397
    @skoshi
    Mind letting us know what changed in your roster?
    You write that they said
    Last week your average was 19.3*, so round down to 19, minus 2, equals difficulty 17 for two rounds.
    This week your average is 19.6*, now it rounds up to 20, minus 2, equals difficulty 18 for two rounds.


    What level peeps did you have last week?
    What changed for this week?
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  • valereeevalereee Member Posts: 179
    I've heard a report from a guild member that she started at 14 with 3 level 20s -- anyone else seeing that?

    Updated to here.
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  • ShadowaceAzShadowaceAz Member Posts: 3,397
    I believe that is absolutely possible @valereee

    However, she also had zero round passes. I have 20's and start at 14 then ya add the round passes and it's up to 'almost not as much fun'.
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  • ShadowaceAzShadowaceAz Member Posts: 3,397
    edited May 2018
    Does anyone know if going from
    21,20,20
    To
    21,21,20

    Will increase difficulty level?

    *edit to add
    I currently started at 15 without the round passes.
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  • ShadowaceAzShadowaceAz Member Posts: 3,397
    Anyone?
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  • mik81mik81 Member Posts: 360
    It didn't for me, 2 21 survivors was same RSL as with none
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    Thank you @mik81
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  • msapaevmsapaev Member Posts: 480
    What about the levels between mentioned?
    For example:
    - Players with three survivors at Level 10 will start at Difficulty 8
    - Players with three survivors at Level 13 will start at Difficulty 10

    Do players with 11 and 12 level survivors start at difficulty 8 either?
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