@HomieLegacy We've been playing long enough to know that NG messes up A LOT, especially with updates so it's not like it would be unfair if we got compensation because we documented everything. Hell, the guild we battled got their victory points... how would it be unfair if we got ours?
There are two issues: lost data where VPs weren't given (which affected each and every one of us), and VPs that were given which were documented and then revoked. In one of them, the VPs were not logged initially and in the other the VPs were logged initially.
The "biggest problem" was systemic, everyone played missions that they didn't get points for. NG has decided on what the compensation for that should be. Whether you think it's generous or not enough, that issue is considered taken care of by NG with all apologies.
The separate issue of revoked VPs from entire battles has yet to be addressed, and if fair stays fair, two guilds that battle each other should both receive VPs for their efforts. If you get your wallet stolen and you have a credit card in there and some cash, the credit card (which is what you have documentation for) is the thing that there is a responsibility to have corrected, unfortunately the cash just goes... poof. If there's a way for NG to cull back the data for all guilds by finding the errors in the servers or code or whatever, hell yeah I want that for everyone. But at the very least the people who have evidence and documentation don't deserve to be stiffed too.
Agreed but the result will always be that some are fairly compensated and some are not. I am not suggesting not to compensate you, just to compensate everyone. And if this is for some reason impossible to do they should just cancel everything form the first weekend.
I love the compensation gifts, don't get me wrong. But it should also come with VP. There are many whose VP were not counted or that got kicked out of battle/we're unable to join battles which resulted in reduced or missed VP and multipliers for wins. Many even stopped playing GW so as not to lose GW gas on the broken product, missing out on VP as well. RPs are not quite so great if you lose out on the chance to get to the tier that you would have spent them. I propose an addition to the compensation: a war's worth of VP. Something in the 25,000-30,000 range (high-end assuming you earn 5,000 VP per battle x 6 battles). And that's kind of low balling because I know our guild competes in several more battles per war. If you want to do something else with AoS or anyone else that documented their wins, that's fine with me. But we all missed out on VP and deserve to be at/near the tier we otherwise would have reached.
@Bod I scored 4625 VP this past weekend on my own? What did you score? Here what my leaderboard says so yeah I can say I’m not happy. If you are then cool but don’t knock people who got totally screwed over. Take your free loot for minimal participation and praise the lord. For me I want my VP
Based on example of mine guild:
1. We lost one battle as we were not able to play. We lost keys, had poor score because we were able to normally play for around 20 minutes. As we lost the score was not multiplied.
2. Some players lost keys and able to play only 1 battle and not 3, despite having a lot of gas.
I’m pretty sure because of that we were short of VP and not able to get to 40k. That means we will be short for 200 Rick tokens.
I sincerely hope you guys at AoS get your VP retroactively awarded, it must be incredibly frustrating to fight in a battle and see it not get credited to you. However, part of me thinks well if NG is going to start doing that then it should be applied to all guilds. In Wild Squad many members lost keys due to battles not starting, in particular my last two battles were absolutely broken by the servers, I did about 10 missions only to see I was still on 55 VP and after seeing it happen over and over I thought what was the point? I stopped playing and saved my gas for another time.
The experience was so poor it put the majority of the guild off playing GW and many keys went usused as no-one really wanted to play and waste more time/gold/gas. We all missed out on VP, not just a few guilds and it shouldn't really be only the ones who shout the loudest who get it refunded.
No disrespect to the folks at AoS, I know you're a serious bunch of killers but after earning 102k in a weekend with broken servers, it's not like you need it
That’s why I said @WellyLuga if they cannot return everyone fought for VPs is should be restarted. If continue from here you add another war weekend and don’t take from anyone.
Maybe the code to erase RP after each seasons war went crazy. Since we can’t save our costly and hard earned RP as started in my other threads may be an issue so we can’t save and buy what we want. I was force to use my last bit of RP so I don’t lose them last season War. Just saying.
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That weekend was probably one of the most frustrating of my entire time playing ( and I’ve lost my account before.) The bad experiences were so wide spread, yet, I have no regrets trying my best to play ( what little I got to contribute)
I can appreciate the dedication and hard work of Next Games to attempt at correcting and making it right. Of course it’s not going to compensate all lost and it probably won’t make a good portion of the community fully whole but I’m gonna force myself to be at peace with it.
You're not gonna please everyone NG! So from this small time Guild Leader that probably received more than she deserved from your compensation bundles, I extend a very big THANK YOU! And thanks @Kaz for taking alot of the heat on this, you're a very patient individual!
It’s good that the majority of players are happy with the compensation but for me it doesn’t cover the cost of gold I bought to heal. I am a terrible player and use a lot of gold to heal so personally the compensation is useless to me! The entire aim of GW’S is to work as a team and score but when our scores are ROBBED what the point. NG could create an imaginary list of guild scores and it wouldnt be much different to now! I will admit to spending a lot of money on the game but am on the verge of deleting the entire game with so many bugs and nerfs going on all of the time. I feel so sorry for the guilds who had the same issues as us, entire battle scores deleted as if we didn’t even bother!
@TJS I understand your point but it should be possible to restore guilds points if NG bothered to do it! @sbf Only provided the proof because NG needs to see what’s going on and after establishing the fact, with screenshot proof, other guilds should be able to register a complaint and get it fixed.
If i was on a plane and i lost my wallet and it had 1000$ in it and i had proof i would want my 1000$ back. I would not be happy if they gave me and everyone else on the plane 500$. If i was one of the people getting $500 (who didn't loose 1000$) i would be happy. Seems there is a lot of this going around. Lots of happy people but some are still screwed even though they have proof. Just saying make it right.
@WellyLuga many of us were frustrated as well and didn't want to play but we strapped our boots up and played regardless. We had our proof (screenshots) and we just figured @Kaz and the crew would make it right. Trust and belief in NG to do the right thing. We know they make honest mistakes and usually fix them if you can provide proof. We just didn't take our ball and go home because we were mad even though some of us wanted to. We stood by each other's decision to continue. Just like we stood by every other guild out there that wanted to boycott GW over the gas cost. We stood by you guys. Now y'all should be standing behind us.
Well i just hope that everyone that thinks it is not a big deal to lose over 20 000 vps will experience that and write overhere that he/she is ok with it. Maybe we will all be equal than! 😘
@Lurker Like I said, I sincerely hope that you get your missing VPs back. But it was just my opinion that it wouldn't be fair for them to refund you and not everyone else. Many of our guild signed up for battles only for them not to start, this happened to one of our members for all 3 of her keys on Saturday.
Good for you for strapping up your boots and continuing. For me I spent 20 minutes of my final two battles repeating missions to see them not count, restarting the game only to be locked out of my guild for 5 minutes, repeat. It wasn't fun, it was incredibly frustrating and only natural that I put the game down and walk away rather than continuing to beat my head against a wall.
I get your frustrations but try to look past it. Yes, you missed out in some VPs this weekend but next weekend you have 20 members with a carte blanch on gas so you will easily make it up. You've also got to realise that as we won't be spending gas next war, we will have built up a massive amount to spend on the 3rd one too.
@Kaz has said that NG are still looking at the missing vp issues let's wait and see what happens before getting to worked up. It Kaz comes back with a JSS reaction then I'll get my pitchfork out and join the revolution with you guys!
I say to be fair let's deduct approximately 23k vp from every guild out there because that's what happened to us. Not could've been not would've been but proof to what is there. If NG does this on top of compensation they gave everybody then I'll be happy with it. We also had players that lost keys had trouble logging on blah blah blah like everybody else but to have two battles completely erased with all the VP and not restored is mind blowing.
@WellyLuga the thing is we had all that other problems, repeating battles over and over again, losing keys, searching guild etc. i guess compensation is for that. But noone else had 20 000 vps missing. Playing 2 whole battles and than battles disappearing from list like it never happened.
We really put a lot of effort to do each war and would like to make it worth. It is not matter of being first, but not losing time on something that will disappear. Just try to put yourself in our situation.
The thing is who can guarantee that it won’t happen again. Imagine that they delete 20 000 vps every war. What than? What kind of game would it be. It can happen to everyone next time. Forget AOS, it is huge bug which they can’t solve.
Withholding a guilds and/or a players earnings is robbery. This needs to be addressed promptly, and resolved.
20 players went hardcore, invested time and money, and they are unable to enjoy what they should have unlocked, with the reward points they should have earned.
It's not roulette. It's a game, and people like me take our investments seriously. I'm sure there are 20 others at least that have been short sided.
The on game compensation is fine from my perspective, i played leisurely and deserve no more than what I got.
But If I'd had stars withheld after grinding hard in challenge, I'd be quite irate.
I find it real funny that people would be mad about a team getting a score back THAT THEY SCORED and THAT THE OTHER TEAM THAT THEY FACE GOT THEIR SCORE but We didn’t. It’s not like we COULDNT play it’s not like we just chilled and didn’t play. We battled for 50 minutes TWICE! Have proof of the score and have proof of the other team getting the score they EARNED and we didn’t. I think it is fair for them to give us the score we EARNED we should have 22,000 more points putting us in another tier. Making it so we could get those rick tokens and making it so that we are in first place a place that WE EARNED.
After people coming up with assumptions that AoS cheated their way to first place first season we had it in our hearts and minds to come out swinging and getting our spot back. Right now we should be at around 125,000. With a comfortable first place lead. We shouldn’t need to catch back up when we already scored 125,000 points. The proof is in the pudding and the other teams that we faced have it in their logs but we don’t. Do the right thing it’s not that hard.
I haven't said I would be mad if AoS got their 23k as compensation. I've actually said twice that I sincerely hope you do get it back. I haven't read every post in this thread but if that's directed at me, then I'm not really sure why. I understand your frustration, I've also said that a couple times too. You don't know that you're the only guild to have missing battles, just because you're the only guild to mention it loudly on the forums doesn't mean that that you're the only one it's happened to. I understand that you're frustrated and you're here to vent, you're entitled to do that.
But the bottom line is, whether you've lost complete battles, keys, had missions not count towards your score or all of the above, we have all missed out on many VPs this weekend. I personally think the compensation is above what was expected and is completely fair. But if on top of that they're going to award missing VPs then it would be very unfair to do it to a select guild and not everyone.
@avelardez gave an excellent idea, cancel this season, start another new one, from scratch... the results of this season are all compromised by this 1st week, the damage of some guilds are irreparable.
We at Legacy EH were extremely harmed as well as other guilds were also.
Like @HomieLegacy said, the damage to Legacy EH was enormous. We finish the other war in 6 °, we stay the full time in the Top 5, and see our guild in the middle of the table because of losses caused by NG after so much effort and dedication, it is not fair.
I don't want any reward, I want to undo the results and we can start from scratch again, we would never have seven defeats in a single weekend if the competition had been fair. My guild was prevented from competing, all our members had problems of the most varied, we entered in many battles and we were completely prevented from winning, NG did not allow us to fight. @Kaz and NG do the fair and correct, these results cannot be counted.
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Players shouldn't be going after one another over this. No player created this mess, this was next games fuck up.
Everyone got screwed over in one way or another so I hate to see top competitors going back and forth with each other when their anger should be placed directly at the feet of the responsible party. I understand everyone's frustration and I'm not trying to make light of another player/ guilds experience this past weekend.
Can we please squash it and see if anything further is done on their part?
Last season, one of our guilds was locked out from GW for a whole day due to the <1 minute issue. I really get the frustration - but I don't think starting the war over is a good idea. The uproar would be massive.
I don't think there is a perfect fix for this situation.
Maybe this war could be played and then be erased from the all time leaderboards as if it never happened. But I guess that would also upset a lot of players.
I am sure that NG has discussed many things we are discussing now and have tried to figure something out that would work for the largest group of players.
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There are two issues: lost data where VPs weren't given (which affected each and every one of us), and VPs that were given which were documented and then revoked. In one of them, the VPs were not logged initially and in the other the VPs were logged initially.
The "biggest problem" was systemic, everyone played missions that they didn't get points for. NG has decided on what the compensation for that should be. Whether you think it's generous or not enough, that issue is considered taken care of by NG with all apologies.
The separate issue of revoked VPs from entire battles has yet to be addressed, and if fair stays fair, two guilds that battle each other should both receive VPs for their efforts. If you get your wallet stolen and you have a credit card in there and some cash, the credit card (which is what you have documentation for) is the thing that there is a responsibility to have corrected, unfortunately the cash just goes... poof. If there's a way for NG to cull back the data for all guilds by finding the errors in the servers or code or whatever, hell yeah I want that for everyone. But at the very least the people who have evidence and documentation don't deserve to be stiffed too.
Based on example of mine guild:
1. We lost one battle as we were not able to play. We lost keys, had poor score because we were able to normally play for around 20 minutes. As we lost the score was not multiplied.
2. Some players lost keys and able to play only 1 battle and not 3, despite having a lot of gas.
I’m pretty sure because of that we were short of VP and not able to get to 40k. That means we will be short for 200 Rick tokens.
I have a solution. End the War and start a new war in 2 weeks. Remove it from the logs and start over.
The experience was so poor it put the majority of the guild off playing GW and many keys went usused as no-one really wanted to play and waste more time/gold/gas. We all missed out on VP, not just a few guilds and it shouldn't really be only the ones who shout the loudest who get it refunded.
No disrespect to the folks at AoS, I know you're a serious bunch of killers but after earning 102k in a weekend with broken servers, it's not like you need it
https://forums.nextgames.com/walkingdead/discussion/40263/wild-walking-is-actively-seeking-new-members"
Meanwhile, I’m training my group complete Full Metal Jacket style for the next War!
That weekend was probably one of the most frustrating of my entire time playing ( and I’ve lost my account before.) The bad experiences were so wide spread, yet, I have no regrets trying my best to play ( what little I got to contribute)
I can appreciate the dedication and hard work of Next Games to attempt at correcting and making it right. Of course it’s not going to compensate all lost and it probably won’t make a good portion of the community fully whole but I’m gonna force myself to be at peace with it.
You're not gonna please everyone NG!
So from this small time Guild Leader that probably received more than she deserved from your compensation bundles, I extend a very big THANK YOU!
And thanks @Kaz for taking alot of the heat on this, you're a very patient individual!
Good for you for strapping up your boots and continuing. For me I spent 20 minutes of my final two battles repeating missions to see them not count, restarting the game only to be locked out of my guild for 5 minutes, repeat. It wasn't fun, it was incredibly frustrating and only natural that I put the game down and walk away rather than continuing to beat my head against a wall.
I get your frustrations but try to look past it. Yes, you missed out in some VPs this weekend but next weekend you have 20 members with a carte blanch on gas so you will easily make it up. You've also got to realise that as we won't be spending gas next war, we will have built up a massive amount to spend on the 3rd one too.
https://forums.nextgames.com/walkingdead/discussion/40263/wild-walking-is-actively-seeking-new-members"
We really put a lot of effort to do each war and would like to make it worth. It is not matter of being first, but not losing time on something that will disappear. Just try to put yourself in our situation.
The thing is who can guarantee that it won’t happen again. Imagine that they delete 20 000 vps every war. What than? What kind of game would it be. It can happen to everyone next time. Forget AOS, it is huge bug which they can’t solve.
20 players went hardcore, invested time and money, and they are unable to enjoy what they should have unlocked, with the reward points they should have earned.
It's not roulette. It's a game, and people like me take our investments seriously. I'm sure there are 20 others at least that have been short sided.
The on game compensation is fine from my perspective, i played leisurely and deserve no more than what I got.
But If I'd had stars withheld after grinding hard in challenge, I'd be quite irate.
After people coming up with assumptions that AoS cheated their way to first place first season we had it in our hearts and minds to come out swinging and getting our spot back. Right now we should be at around 125,000. With a comfortable first place lead. We shouldn’t need to catch back up when we already scored 125,000 points. The proof is in the pudding and the other teams that we faced have it in their logs but we don’t. Do the right thing it’s not that hard.
But the bottom line is, whether you've lost complete battles, keys, had missions not count towards your score or all of the above, we have all missed out on many VPs this weekend. I personally think the compensation is above what was expected and is completely fair. But if on top of that they're going to award missing VPs then it would be very unfair to do it to a select guild and not everyone.
Anyway, no drama. Much love and respect.
https://forums.nextgames.com/walkingdead/discussion/40263/wild-walking-is-actively-seeking-new-members"
If he says they are still looking into it, that means nothing has been decided yet.
I totally get the frustration and I really hope you get your points added back - but right now, the back and forth doesn't do anything.
You provided the evidence, now it is up to NG to figure out what can be done.
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We at Legacy EH were extremely harmed as well as other guilds were also.
Like @HomieLegacy said, the damage to Legacy EH was enormous. We finish the other war in 6 °, we stay the full time in the Top 5, and see our guild in the middle of the table because of losses caused by NG after so much effort and dedication, it is not fair.
I don't want any reward, I want to undo the results and we can start from scratch again, we would never have seven defeats in a single weekend if the competition had been fair. My guild was prevented from competing, all our members had problems of the most varied, we entered in many battles and we were completely prevented from winning, NG did not allow us to fight. @Kaz and NG do the fair and correct, these results cannot be counted.
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Everyone got screwed over in one way or another so I hate to see top competitors going back and forth with each other when their anger should be placed directly at the feet of the responsible party. I understand everyone's frustration and I'm not trying to make light of another player/ guilds experience this past weekend.
Can we please squash it and see if anything further is done on their part?
I don't think there is a perfect fix for this situation.
Maybe this war could be played and then be erased from the all time leaderboards as if it never happened. But I guess that would also upset a lot of players.
I am sure that NG has discussed many things we are discussing now and have tried to figure something out that would work for the largest group of players.
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