I really enjoyed Guild Wars and I am sad to see it go. I hope that it actually will be back. What confuses me is that the first war went off very well, and there were none of these issue. Yet they suddenly started having problems in the second war. Can't NG just go back to the code they used for the first war?
I'm not a programmer, so perhaps I'm missing something here....
I’ve played with @Metal for years a great player and a great guy don’t leave the game buddy to many great players have left the game of late…People are aloud to have a point of view that different to others with out being insulted constructive monologue is better then stupid smart arse comments
"I’ve played with @Metal for years a great player and a great guy" - I don't doubt either of those statements for a second.
"People are aloud to have a point of view that different to others with out being insulted constructive monologue is better then stupid smart arse comments" - I don't think what I said was insulting. Smart arse? OK guilty...
Allow me to re-phrase my comment here:
@Metal based on your last half dozen or so comments on this site, it seems obvious that this game no longer brings you happiness. I hope you're able to regain that happiness elsewhere.
It's fine to have different viewpoints on something, but some of the abuse aimed at the devs / NG has been pretty strong. I doubt anyone comes to work in the morning thinking "hey, let's see what we can mess up today" but in software... bugs happen. Hell, look at half of the AAA game releases this year - Anthem had a multi million dollar budget and teams of developers and an external QC checker and it was still riddled with issues on release. Problem NG have is that you cant effectively pressure test a new mode, and you certainly can't account for all variance across devices and OS.
Now I'm not saying that stupid stuff hasn't happened (the round passes thing is incredibly poor) but NML wasn't designed from the ground up for this kind of server-smashing high intensity game mode.
@TransmuteJun it seemed that the big issues really kicked in with the changes to gas use as GW went from being a somewhat strategic use of resources to a manic race to the finish.
@TransmuteJun it seemed that the big issues really kicked in with the changes to gas use as GW went from being a somewhat strategic use of resources to a manic race to the finish.
No, the beginning of the second war had limited gas use just like the first war. It was only after it got buggy that they changed it to 0 gas cost.
If we are guessing issues then mine would be that it was reducing the amount of people needed to battle. Thus allowing more battles to be played and that would have put a hell of a lot more strain on the servers!
In GW 1, the minimum number of players to start a battle was 7, after they reduced the minimum to 6, a few bugs appeared. And reduced to minimum players 5, it increased the number of guilds and players involved in a battle, when appeared all bugs. The server could not handle the volume.
Another point is that GW gas was limited and hard to find, so players were limited by gas, as NG released more GW gas, increased the intensity of battles, and this burdened the server too much.
I think this 2 factors made the GW bugs explode because the server did not support the large number of players and guilds online at the same time.
When I see people wanting the GW 1 back, I imagine they want to limit the available GW gas again, having to spend money or gold to be able to play many missions and who want to return with the minimum of 7 players for a guild to be able to fight in the GW battle , this would elitize the GW again, making GW a privilege of great guilds, excluding the smaller guilds of GW again, as it was in GW 1.
In particular, it does not affect me because I am from a great guild, but I understand that GW should be accessible to everyone, as was GW 2, and especially without any kind of bug, flaw or error, the product sold by NG should be perfect for use, otherwise it must be completely discarded and canceled from the game.
It goes on to repeat, the focus of the NG should be: 1- Reduce the time of battles 20 or at most 30 minutes, as this would be more intense and fun, 50 minutes is tiring;
2- Optimize the loading time of Android, in order to be really a fair war with all users, nowadays who uses iOS has the advantage, this has to be corrected with urgency;
3- Correction of all known bugs and errors, if you can not solve the problems, discard the GW once and focus 100% on improvements in the challenge;
If we are guessing issues then mine would be that it was reducing the amount of people needed to battle. Thus allowing more battles to be played and that would have put a hell of a lot more strain on the servers!
Fully agree. It was hard to join matches with the higher thresholds, but it was something we looked forward to, and tried to organise as a guild. In a way, larger team requirements meant more guild prep was needed before the guild war weekends. I know a lot of us asked for fewer players for a battle to commence, and I was one of those advocates, but I now realise I was wrong. Let's increase the team size required, and over time reduce team size requirements as NG has more server resources. For now, though, effort needs to be put into testing mobile clients, and seeing what can be done to improve the experience android users. Also, penalise cheaters more heavily, or make known exploits freely available so we're all fighting on a level playing field.
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I'm not a programmer, so perhaps I'm missing something here....
"People are aloud to have a point of view that different to others with out being insulted constructive monologue is better then stupid smart arse comments" - I don't think what I said was insulting. Smart arse? OK guilty...
Allow me to re-phrase my comment here:
@Metal based on your last half dozen or so comments on this site, it seems obvious that this game no longer brings you happiness. I hope you're able to regain that happiness elsewhere.
Now I'm not saying that stupid stuff hasn't happened (the round passes thing is incredibly poor) but NML wasn't designed from the ground up for this kind of server-smashing high intensity game mode.
@TransmuteJun it seemed that the big issues really kicked in with the changes to gas use as GW went from being a somewhat strategic use of resources to a manic race to the finish.
Another point is that GW gas was limited and hard to find, so players were limited by gas, as NG released more GW gas, increased the intensity of battles, and this burdened the server too much.
I think this 2 factors made the GW bugs explode because the server did not support the large number of players and guilds online at the same time.
When I see people wanting the GW 1 back, I imagine they want to limit the available GW gas again, having to spend money or gold to be able to play many missions and who want to return with the minimum of 7 players for a guild to be able to fight in the GW battle , this would elitize the GW again, making GW a privilege of great guilds, excluding the smaller guilds of GW again, as it was in GW 1.
In particular, it does not affect me because I am from a great guild, but I understand that GW should be accessible to everyone, as was GW 2, and especially without any kind of bug, flaw or error, the product sold by NG should be perfect for use, otherwise it must be completely discarded and canceled from the game.
It goes on to repeat, the focus of the NG should be:
1- Reduce the time of battles 20 or at most 30 minutes, as this would be more intense and fun, 50 minutes is tiring;
2- Optimize the loading time of Android, in order to be really a fair war with all users, nowadays who uses iOS has the advantage, this has to be corrected with urgency;
3- Correction of all known bugs and errors, if you can not solve the problems, discard the GW once and focus 100% on improvements in the challenge;
I know a lot of us asked for fewer players for a battle to commence, and I was one of those advocates, but I now realise I was wrong. Let's increase the team size required, and over time reduce team size requirements as NG has more server resources.
For now, though, effort needs to be put into testing mobile clients, and seeing what can be done to improve the experience android users. Also, penalise cheaters more heavily, or make known exploits freely available so we're all fighting on a level playing field.