How are guild war scores calculated?

AndreaAndrea Member Posts: 766
edited January 21 in Guild Wars Discussion
As I wrote in the title, I would like to know how final scores are calculated! The sum of the scores of each individual player does not correspond to the guild score overlay! Just to understand ...
Thank you!
@Fluxxx
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  • JayZJayZ Member Posts: 3,364
    edited January 21
    You get team points for clearing a sector that do not count towards individual scores.
    NezoArtminiusGunJackromeo
  • AndreaAndrea Member Posts: 766
    Thank you @JayZ
  • tallinietallinie Member Posts: 368
    > @JayZ said:
    > You get team points for clearing a sector
    > that do not count towards individual
    > scores.

    I completed 1C with my alt account (not using gabe in lead).

    Score board shows 204 as my personal score which is correct if sector clearance bonus indeed does not show up in that personal score.

    But.. Banner row is showing guild score to be only 184 (= completed sector missions except last pvp mission) although it should show up as 304 (= completed sector missions + sector completion bonus)?? (Nobody else has started yet.) I guess there is some major visual bug with guild score display. (In addition to that sometimes all scores show up as zeros)
  • AndreaAndrea Member Posts: 766
    another question ... I see the name of the opposite team, right?...but when i try to complete the sector , at the top of the 3 internal missions there are other name.....why?
  • ZetteZette Member Posts: 371
    edited January 22
    Something is definitely going on with the scoring...my final mission was using Gabriel as lead last nite. It was my last mission so I was watching my score. The mission was supposed to give 24+3 vp's bit my score only went up 21 points instead of 27. I found those missing 6 when the battle ended. The war summary said I earned 389 vp's but the leaderboard is still showing 383. This morning when I woke up, only 1 of my players has started and his total is 365...the guild total at top of battle in blue says 510! The other team's total has 225 more than what is showing on their individual scores...ours shows 145 more...

    Edited to add screenshots...and correct my math...looks like my adding is crap this morning! Lol!
    Azagalmir
  • tallinietallinie Member Posts: 368
    > @tallinie said:
    > But.. Banner row is showing guild
    > score to be only 184 (= completed
    > sector missions except last pvp
    > mission) although it should show up
    > as 304 (= completed sector missions
    > + sector completion bonus)?? (Nobody
    > else has started yet.) I guess there is
    > some major visual bug with guild score
    > display. (In addition to that sometimes
    > all scores show up as zeros)

    Actually there was just long delay in score updates or it required game restart. Finally scores appeared correctly also on top row.
  • TireaTirea Member Posts: 18
    I also think there is something wrong with the VP calculation.

    This is taken from our current war:

    Personal scores from Battle Stats
    Tirea 504
    rob_one_six 446
    Alex 231
    Suckit 227
    Nilepez 87

    Areas completed bonus
    1B: 75
    1C: 100
    2C: 85
    3C: 85
    2D: 110
    3D: 110

    Total: 2060
    Shown: 1961

    I am sure to have seen a score of 2042 that dropped back to 1961.

    Also did restart client and waited for quite some while for any score updates.
    AndreaKarajoca
  • TireaTirea Member Posts: 18
    Here is also the data of our first battle (completed yesterday):

    Personal scores
    461
    441
    388
    356
    344

    Completed areas
    Bonus 1 (6) 50
    1A (9) 50
    1B (9) 75
    1C (9) 100
    Bonus 2 (6) 50
    2A (9) 50
    2B (9) 70
    2C (9) 85
    2D (9) 110
    Bonus 3 (6) 50
    Bonus 4 (6) 50
    3C (9) 85

    Sum 2815
    Shown 2820
    Attacks spent: 4*6 + 8*9 = 24 + 72 = 96 of 100

    Basically we have 5 VP too much. I cannot explain where these come from.
    Andrea
  • TireaTirea Member Posts: 18
    edited January 23
    Consolidation of the data from the last two posts above.

    We now have completed two battles and here are our final scores.
    In both battles there is a difference between calculated and in game scores I can't explain.
    This leads me to the assumption that there is a bug in scores calculation in game.


    Battle 1

    Personel scores:
    461 (Nilepez)
    441 (Tirea)
    388
    356 (Suckit)
    344
    Sum: 1990

    Completed areas:
    Bonus 1: 50
    1A: 50
    1B: 75
    1C: 100
    Bonus 2: 50
    2A: 50
    2B: 70
    2C: 85
    2D: 110
    Bonus 3: 50
    Bonus 4: 50
    3C: 85
    Sum: 825

    Final sum: 2815
    In game score: 2820
    Difference: +5



    Battle 2

    Personel scores:
    504 (Tirea)
    477
    469 (Suckit)
    446
    435 (Nilepez)
    Sum: 2331

    Completed areas:
    1B: 75
    1C: 100
    2B: 70
    2C: 85
    2D: 110
    3B: 70
    3C: 85
    3D: 110
    4B: 75
    4C: 100
    5C: 80
    Sum: 960

    Final sum: 3291
    In game score: 3184
    Difference: -107


    Leaderboard data compared to calculated data
    Nilepez: 889 compared to 461 + 435 = 896, Diff: -7
    Tirea: 885 compared to 441 + 504 = 945, Diff: -60
    Suckit: 801 compared to 356 + 469 = 825, Diff: -24

    The "leaderboard" shows for all three players less VP earned than listed in the (summed up) "battle stats" views of the two played battles.
    AndreaTCBRITO
  • FirekidFirekid Member Posts: 2,136
    @Tirea is it possible to check those numbers against the scores shown on the guild leaderboard? As others have mentioned there is discrepancies between the battle stats page and the guild leaderboard page.
  • TireaTirea Member Posts: 18
    edited January 23
    I updated my post above with comparison of leaderboard data vs battle view data. There is indeed difference for the 3 players that did play in both battles.
  • FirekidFirekid Member Posts: 2,136
    @Tirea don’t suppose you used gaberial a lot during your missions did you?
  • TireaTirea Member Posts: 18
    edited January 25
    On all missions I used Gabe as leader, all 2x 20 attacks 100% sure without loosing a map.
  • KarajocaKarajoca Member Posts: 94
    Thank you for detailed post @Tirea
    I also find this important and need to investigate further. I am not sure are just some sectors that give wrong numbers( maybe they put put lower VP for them at first, then improved, but somehow it is still giving previous added VPs)
    Or when you play specific level in any of the sectors it gives less points.

    Biggest difference so far i noticed is on lvl40 mission. It gives 6 points less then displayed. lvl42 for example gave 3 points less, while some players who has done only lower level maps seems like their scores are correct or only few points less.
    If VP difference is linear i would say, not a big deal, everyone still get the same just little lower.But this is bigger mess-up since it is different from sector to sector, from level to level...

    My biggest issue with GW is that obviously broken scoring system, and that there is no display what kind of map are we going to enter ( kill all walkers, reach exit, open boxes, etc) Missions lvl41-45 are insanely hard(except kill all) and if you know what kind of mission is it, at least you can choose team accordingly and increase your chances.
    Still, if this is made like that so guilds can investigate, collect data and eventually know in forward what mission is where, then ok, i like it :) just improve those scores please :)
  • Adamski316Adamski316 Member Posts: 43
    I also made a post about scoring descrepancies. The sum of my personal scores from 2 battles is off by 70 points.
  • tjhookrtjhookr Member Posts: 61
    edited January 25
    the points are definitely not calculated correctly, I just finished our battle and only I was playing, these are the missions victory points, personal sum and guild sum:
    2x(26+3)
    2x(20+3) 95 709
    28+4 127
    28+4 159
    20+3 182 796
    26+3 211 825
    26+3 240 854
    20+3 263 877
    24+3 290 904
    24+3 317 931
    20+3 337 1061 section end +110
    33+4 374 1098
    33+4 411 1135
    20+3 434 1158
    30+4 468 1192
    30+4 502 1226
    28+4 534 1258
    28+4 566 1290
    sum= 578

    As you can see it is off by 12, the first 4 missions I completed relatively fast then I took my time and waited for the table to refresh so I could spot any miscalculations, but after that the only miscalculation was after I completed the section end, a +3 gabe bonus was missing
  • tjhookrtjhookr Member Posts: 61
    Here is the final scoreboard as you can see the missing +12 point was never added. And who knows how many other points. This was a landslide but there was a time when we lost by a small margin. And still it could have been a win if scores were calculated correctly
  • TireaTirea Member Posts: 18
    Another set of data:

    Where +3 is noted, I did use the Star Hero in lead.
    W: Won map
    L: Lost map

    Last two colums are calculated personal VP vs in game shown VP.

    01 1C(33.1) 22+3 (W) 025 025
    02 1C(33.2) 22+3 (W) 050 050
    03 1C(33.3) 20+3 (W) 073 073
    04 1C(34.1) 24+3 (W) 100 073
    05 1C(34.2) 24+3 (W) 127 127
    06 1C(34.3) 20+3 (W) 150 150
    07 1C(35.1) 26+3 (W) 179 179
    08 1C(35.2) 26+3 (L) 179 179
    09 1C(35.2) 26+0 (W) 205 205 (did not use Star Hero here)
    10 1C(35.3) 20+3 (W) 228 228
    11 2D(34.1) 24+3 (W) 255 255
    12 2D(34.2) 24+3 (W) 282 279 (the +3 bonus is missing)
    13 2D(34.3) 20+3 (W) 305 302
    14 2D(35.1) 26+3 (W) 334 331
    15 2D(35.2) 26+3 (W) 363 360
    16 2D(35.3) 20+3 (W) 386 383
    17 3D(34.1) 24+3 (W) 413 410
    18 3D(34.2) 24+3 (W) 440 437
    19 3D(34.3) 20+3 (W) 463 460
    20 2C(34.1) 24+3 (W) 490 484 (the +3 bonus is missing)
    21 2C(34.2) 24+3 (W) 517 511
    22 2C(34.3) 20+3 (W) 540 534
    23 3D(35.1) 26+3 (L) 540 534
    24 2C(33.1) 22+3 (W) 565 559
    25 2C(33.2) 22+3 (W) 590 581 (the +3 bonus is missing)

    Conclusion: The client missed three times to calculate the +3 bonus provided by using the Star Hero in lead.
  • FluxxxFluxxx Community Manager Posts: 584
    edited February 6
    This is a lot of extremely useful information guys! We've gotten many reports about GW scores from many players, but usually there's some incomplete or missing information, as well as different hypotheses so we have been looking for the root problem - prime suspects are star heroes and the higher difficulty missions. Kudos to everyone (especially @Tirea ) for putting in the effort to lay out the missions and calculations - we'll use them for sure. I might reach out to some of you individually if we end up needing more information, but this should be a good start :)
    Andrea
  • PalliPalli Member Posts: 7
    edited February 7
    I had 8 swords and total guild 4083 VP. Then i played this mission -
    -------------------------------------------

    -------------------------------------------
    And now our guild have 4076 total



    @Fluxxx , please fix it :)
  • tawabawatawabawa Member Posts: 29
    Scores don't add up...please explain
  • TireaTirea Member Posts: 18
    My second battle of the current war:

    01 1C(34.1) 24+3 (W) 027 027
    02 1C(34.2) 24+3 (W) 054 054
    03 1C(35.1) 26+3 (W) 083 083
    04 1C(35.2) 26+0 (W) 109 109 (did not use Star Hero here)
    05 2D(34.1) 24+3 (W) 136 136
    06 2D(34.2) 24+3 (W) 163 163
    07 2D(35.1) 26+3 (W) 192 192
    08 2D(35.2) 26+0 (W) 218 218 (did not use Star Hero here)
    09 3C(34.1) 24+3 (W) 245 245
    10 3C(34.2) 24+3 (W) 272 272
    11 3D(34.1) 24+3 (W) 299 299
    12 3D(34.2) 24+3 (W) 326 326
    13 3D(35.1) 26+3 (W) 355 355
    14 3D(35.2) 26+3 (W) 384 384
    15 3D(36.1) 28+4 (W) 416 416
    16 3D(36.2) 28+4 (W) 448 448
    17 2D(36.1) 28+0 (W) 476 766 (did not use Star Hero here)
    18 2D(36.2) 28+4 (W) 508 508
    19 4C(35.1) 26+3 (W) 537 537
    20 4C(35.2) 26+3 (W) 566 563 (the +3 bonus is missing)
    21 4C(34.1) 24+3 (W) 593 590
    22 4C(34.1) 24+3 (W) 620 617
    23 4C(33.1) 22+3 (W) 645 642
    24 4C(33.2) 22+3 (W) 670 667
    25 4C(35.3) 20+3 (W) 693 690

    This time the Star Hero bonus was missing once in the final personal scores.

    I did not observe something special while playing the mission where the bonus was missing. Maybe if another player is playing in the same area at the same time that does not use the Star Hero. No clue. To me it seems that sometimes the Star Hero in lead position is not recognized, therefore the bonus is missing.
  • kookaburrakookaburra Member Posts: 38
    It would be easier to solve the Navier-Stokes equation.
    AndreaTweetyBird
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  • FluxxxFluxxx Community Manager Posts: 584
    @Tirea so I get that the first battle happened on January 21st, and another one happened on 8th of Feb, could you give me the date of the second battle in the first war?

    @tjhookr could you also give me the date of your battle, as well as guild name?
  • TJCartTJCart Member Posts: 290
    Fluxxx mentioned that providing this data was helpful for looking into the scoring issue and that it would be likely present for this upcoming season.

    @Vane or @Fluxxx (if you’re not on holiday yet), do you all have enough data at this point, or would it be helpful to track and provide detailed score data for the next season as well if issues are still present? Also, I can track detailed data for my own scores, but won’t be able to provide detailed guild data. Would this still be helpful or not? Thanks.
  • tjhookrtjhookr Member Posts: 61
    Fluxxx said:


    @tjhookr could you also give me the date of your battle, as well as guild name?

    the battle was on January 25
    and the guild is SuicideSquad-HU
  • DrunkenDrunken Member Posts: 1,357
    GW scoring is similar to being drunk and waking up the next day trying to piece together how the hell you spent 400 bucks at the bar!
    FirekidZette
  • TireaTirea Member Posts: 18
    @Fluxxx

    All data from me that was posted in this thread, now with dates:

    1. War (21.01.2020 - 28.01.2020)

    Battle 01/08: 21.01.2020
    Personel scores:
    461 (Nilepez)
    441 (Tirea)
    388
    356 (Suckit)
    344
    Sum: 1990

    Completed areas:
    Bonus 1: 50
    1A: 50
    1B: 75
    1C: 100
    Bonus 2: 50
    2A: 50
    2B: 70
    2C: 85
    2D: 110
    Bonus 3: 50
    Bonus 4: 50
    3C: 85
    Sum: 825

    Final sum: 2815
    In game score: 2820
    Difference: +5

    Battle 02/08: 22.01.2020
    Personel scores:
    504 (Tirea)
    477
    469 (Suckit)
    446
    435 (Nilepez)
    Sum: 2331

    Completed areas:
    1B: 75
    1C: 100
    2B: 70
    2C: 85
    2D: 110
    3B: 70
    3C: 85
    3D: 110
    4B: 75
    4C: 100
    5C: 80
    Sum: 960

    Final sum: 3291
    In game score: 3184
    Difference: -107


    2. War (04.02.2020 - 11.02.2020)

    Battle 02/08: 05.02.2020
    01 1C(33.1) 22+3 (W) 025 025
    02 1C(33.2) 22+3 (W) 050 050
    03 1C(33.3) 20+3 (W) 073 073
    04 1C(34.1) 24+3 (W) 100 073
    05 1C(34.2) 24+3 (W) 127 127
    06 1C(34.3) 20+3 (W) 150 150
    07 1C(35.1) 26+3 (W) 179 179
    08 1C(35.2) 26+3 (L) 179 179
    09 1C(35.2) 26+0 (W) 205 205 (did not use Star Hero here)
    10 1C(35.3) 20+3 (W) 228 228
    11 2D(34.1) 24+3 (W) 255 255
    12 2D(34.2) 24+3 (W) 282 279 (the +3 bonus is missing)
    13 2D(34.3) 20+3 (W) 305 302
    14 2D(35.1) 26+3 (W) 334 331
    15 2D(35.2) 26+3 (W) 363 360
    16 2D(35.3) 20+3 (W) 386 383
    17 3D(34.1) 24+3 (W) 413 410
    18 3D(34.2) 24+3 (W) 440 437
    19 3D(34.3) 20+3 (W) 463 460
    20 2C(34.1) 24+3 (W) 490 484 (the +3 bonus is missing)
    21 2C(34.2) 24+3 (W) 517 511
    22 2C(34.3) 20+3 (W) 540 534
    23 3D(35.1) 26+3 (L) 540 534
    24 2C(33.1) 22+3 (W) 565 559
    25 2C(33.2) 22+3 (W) 590 581 (the +3 bonus is missing)

    Battle 04/08: 07.02.2020
    01 1C(34.1) 24+3 (W) 027 027
    02 1C(34.2) 24+3 (W) 054 054
    03 1C(35.1) 26+3 (W) 083 083
    04 1C(35.2) 26+0 (W) 109 109 (did not use Star Hero here)
    05 2D(34.1) 24+3 (W) 136 136
    06 2D(34.2) 24+3 (W) 163 163
    07 2D(35.1) 26+3 (W) 192 192
    08 2D(35.2) 26+0 (W) 218 218 (did not use Star Hero here)
    09 3C(34.1) 24+3 (W) 245 245
    10 3C(34.2) 24+3 (W) 272 272
    11 3D(34.1) 24+3 (W) 299 299
    12 3D(34.2) 24+3 (W) 326 326
    13 3D(35.1) 26+3 (W) 355 355
    14 3D(35.2) 26+3 (W) 384 384
    15 3D(36.1) 28+4 (W) 416 416
    16 3D(36.2) 28+4 (W) 448 448
    17 2D(36.1) 28+0 (W) 476 766 (did not use Star Hero here)
    18 2D(36.2) 28+4 (W) 508 508
    19 4C(35.1) 26+3 (W) 537 537
    20 4C(35.2) 26+3 (W) 566 563 (the +3 bonus is missing)
    21 4C(34.1) 24+3 (W) 593 590
    22 4C(34.1) 24+3 (W) 620 617
    23 4C(33.1) 22+3 (W) 645 642
    24 4C(33.2) 22+3 (W) 670 667
    25 4C(35.3) 20+3 (W) 693 690
  • SpikedSpiked Member Posts: 89
    So right before the end of battle one of my guild mates had 512 VP on the in battle board (nobody had done any battles for 2 hours ish before end of battle).. battle ends.. his leaderboard score shows 486.. his war summary screen shows 534. Several others leaderboard versus end of battle scores are different.

    Is having scores that make sense really that difficult?
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