DR badges - Real or Unicorn?

FuriousMoldovan

I've been trying to get max DR (80%) with only 2 badges + iron skin trait (no armor DR).
Which means DR badges have to be 31-32% each.
The closest I ever got was 76% (note: with only 2 DR badges).

My question is - have anyone ever got DR badges with at least 31-32% or is it a "Unicorn"?

I'm just really curious and would be great to get answers from someone who actually has it in-game (unless it is indeed a Unicorn).

PS: the at least 31% DR is the question.

Burmeliinis

The max you can get is a 21+5 % DR badge. With set bonus that would be 31.2% (26 * 1.2 = 31.2)

This seems to be quite uncommon, however. I have 26 legendary DR badges with bonus, and of these only one is 21+5. And of course the bonus on this badge is Bullet Dodge

So yeah, it's possible.

FuriousMoldovan

@Burmeliinis
Thanks for answering. It's a bit different though.
I have DR 21+5 myself (before set bonus), but with set bonus it's only 30% (25+5) not 31%.
The +5% badge bonus is not multiplied by 20% set bonus (21*1.2 + 5).

PS: you can always reroll your badge bonus

Burmeliinis

That is not correct.

The bonus also gets the set bonus so my original answer is correct.

FreeToPlay

The calculation that @Burmeliinis indicates "supposedly" is the correct one, I say supposedly, because, if I am not wrong, the formula has never been confirmed since NG. The problem is that the screen does not show the rounds.

Here, we have two ways to work with the information:

1.- Make the calculations and hurry.

2.- The vague way, which is to use the screen data that come to be: 21 + 5 (we apply 20%) = 30, so if you have two badges 21 + 5 and the DR skill at level 10 = 20 DR (5 pink stars) you are already 80.

Here, some screenshots:

FuriousMoldovan

@Burmeliinis
Badge bonus doesn't get included into set bonus.
Therefore, 21+5 turns into 25+5 not 25+6.

FuriousMoldovan

@FreeToPlay
Thanks for answering but it's not what I'm asking.

I'm asking whether anyone ever had DR badges with at least 31-32% total after set bonus (22+5 or 23+5 before set bonus).

Burmeliinis

Not sure why you are refusing to accept my answer. There is no uncertainty about this. You can easily test it yourself using DMG badges, and fluxx has officially confirmed it as well.
(link to post: https://forums.nextgames.com/walkingdead/discussion/comment/420044/#Comment_420044)

Fluxxx said:

For cases where, for example, a 20% badge is boosted to 23% - that's mainly a visual error. In the code, they would be 23.999999...%, which will display as 23, but the rounding is only visual - mathematically, the boosted badge will apply correctly.

As for conditional bonuses, the boost from a completed set does apply to the conditional bonus, however not on the bonus value itself. So what I mean is:  

Let's say you have a health badge that gives 12% and 3% for having a shooter on the team. If you complete the set of that badge, you'll get a 20% boost on the total of 15%, added to the main value (12%), which is why the conditional bonus value does not change.

So what you'll see visually, upon the completion of a set, is: 14% + 3%; and in the code, that means 14.99999% + 3% = 18% which is the same as 15%*1.2

I'll check-in with support on this as well, thanks for pointing it out  

Firekid

@FuriousMoldovan the bonus does not show the increase in a set, but it does. This has been proven with health and damage badges. 

FuriousMoldovan

@Burmeliinis Because I've never seen this post you just showed me, so I trusted what I saw in-game. Thanks for the link!

@Firekid
So basically 21+5 badge after set bonus is 25.999+5=~31, even though in-game it shows up as 25+5.
They should've fixed this UI irregularities long time ago.

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Firekid

@FuriousMoldovan it’s even more confusing that that as sometimes the +5 is already a +6 but shows wrong from the start. Or something like that. I don’t care to much about it so sort switch off when they start talking about integers and stuff 😂

WellyLuga

I've only got it on one survivor and that's Michonne. She is largely unused really so it's a bit of a waste. 21+5 × 2 = 52 * 1.2 + 18 = 80.4%. Most survivors you have DR on don't really need damage/CD so I'm not sure how useful max off 2 badges is if I'm being honest.

FuriousMoldovan

@WellyLuga
Damn, so basically I had 79% DR with 2 badges without even knowing it

Personally, the purpose for me is optimization - not wasting the third badge.
Another way I did - max DR with 3 badges and replace iron skin trait with something useful. What do I think is a better way?

@Fluxxx
It's a pretty significant and misleading UI flaw, especially for players not active on NML forum. Hope you guys can fix it in the near future.

WellyLuga

FuriousMoldovan said:

@WellyLuga
Damn, so basically I had 79% DR with 2 badges without even knowing it

Personally, the purpose for me is optimization - not wasting the third badge.
Another way I did - max DR with 3 badges and replace iron skin trait with something useful. What do I think is a better way?

@Fluxxx
It's a pretty significant and misleading UI flaw, especially for players not active on NML forum. Hope you guys can fix it in the near future.

Yeah well that was my point. I only really have DR on bruisers and assaults, they don't really have need for damage and none of my heroes have iron skin anymore. It's better to have dodge, lucky, retaliate and punish/revenge than drop one so I can have an extra badge spot. The only other heroes I have with max DR are Tara, PGG and Gabriel and it's basically the same for them.

If you still use hybrid builds like Michonne then it's absolutely worth chasing but they don't really have a place end game.

FuriousMoldovan

WellyLuga said:

FuriousMoldovan said:

@WellyLuga
Damn, so basically I had 79% DR with 2 badges without even knowing it

Personally, the purpose for me is optimization - not wasting the third badge.
Another way I did - max DR with 3 badges and replace iron skin trait with something useful. What do I think is a better way?

@Fluxxx
It's a pretty significant and misleading UI flaw, especially for players not active on NML forum. Hope you guys can fix it in the near future.

Yeah well that was my point. I only really have DR on bruisers and assaults, they don't really have need for damage and none of my heroes have iron skin anymore. It's better to have dodge, lucky, retaliate and punish/revenge than drop one so I can have an extra badge spot. The only other heroes I have with max DR are Tara, PGG and Gabriel and it's basically the same for them.

If you still use hybrid builds like Michonne then it's absolutely worth chasing but they don't really have a place end game.

Gotcha.
Yeah nah, I'm not using balanced survivors. I'm building tank assaults & bruisers for 50+ lvl, so I guess 2 badge DR won't make much sense as you said.
I was just really curious whether it was possible and found out about set bonus calculation flaws in the process

Thanks!

ghost_pepper

FuriousMoldovan said:

I've been trying to get max DR (80%) with only 2 badges + iron skin trait (no armor DR).
Which means DR badges have to be 31-32% each.
The closest I ever got was 76% (note: with only 2 DR badges).

My question is - have anyone ever got DR badges with at least 31-32% or is it a "Unicorn"?

I'm just really curious and would be great to get answers from someone who actually has it in-game (unless it is indeed a Unicorn).

PS: the at least 31% DR is the question.

I have a question. But first, there are 3 practical use Warrior weapons (Dragon Tongue, Morning Star, Chainsaw) and both DT and MS have tactical. So right away, whatever you have going on with badges gets +10 added after. So that's 80 - 10 from tactical =  70. 

2 top DR badges of 21/5 will get you 52%. Set bonus on that is 52 x 1.2 = 62.4. So you have to make up 8 points with Iron Skin trait. The IS trait is going to give you a whole lot more than 8 points. So you're dealing with a considerable amount of "waste". And then why put a Chainsaw onto a Warrior with IS when you could have a different trait which helps with your attacking? 

Lucky Strong Ruthless Powerstrike. Arguments can be made all day long about this. No DT so no Powerstrike. Strong only gives a tiny bit of damage boost. Etc. But I don't think anyone is going to be convinced about having IS on a Warrior used for attack purposes.

This reasoning gets me thinking that maybe you're looking for a defensive approach. Is that the case? Are you doing something like building a hybrid Jesus?

Karajoca

Can't believe you are questioning @Burmeliinis answer 🤦🏻‍♂️

Anyway, i had Michonne same as Wes showed you, that was built i was really proud of, and refused to reroll her long time, but truth is there is no place in this game (at least at this moment when we speak of it) for something like "hybrid" all-around balanced survivor. 
They just stop being useful around 41/42 level 

All we have now is extremely offensive survivors and weapons, you go all in and try to kill with it, if fail, there are meat-shields to protect you or stun/root and survive the turn.
Would be cool if we can put hybrid survivors like some gladiators in the mission where they fight, attack, take hit, stand on feet, keep attacking.... but i guess that ship sailed. 

FuriousMoldovan

Karajoca said:

Can't believe you are questioning @Burmeliinis answer 🤦🏻‍♂️

Why?
I can't believe you are implying that critical thinking is prohibited in NML. 🤦🏻‍♂️ 
It's NML, not North Korea.

Of course I questioned @Burmeliinis until he gave a link to the answer by a known NML official (Fluxxx), i.e. the equivalent of trusted credible source of info in NML.
And I thanked him for it. Simple.

Anyway, I'm not using balanced survivors. Asked original question for building tank bruisers & assaults for 50+ lvl. Thanks.

FuriousMoldovan

ghost_pepper said:

I have a question. But first, there are 3 practical use Warrior weapons (Dragon Tongue, Morning Star, Chainsaw) and both DT and MS have tactical. So right away, whatever you have going on with badges gets +10 added after. So that's 80 - 10 from tactical =  70. 

2 top DR badges of 21/5 will get you 52%. Set bonus on that is 52 x 1.2 = 62.4. So you have to make up 8 points with Iron Skin trait. The IS trait is going to give you a whole lot more than 8 points. So you're dealing with a considerable amount of "waste". And then why put a Chainsaw onto a Warrior with IS when you could have a different trait which helps with your attacking? 

Lucky Strong Ruthless Powerstrike. Arguments can be made all day long about this. No DT so no Powerstrike. Strong only gives a tiny bit of damage boost. Etc. But I don't think anyone is going to be convinced about having IS on a Warrior used for attack purposes.

This reasoning gets me thinking that maybe you're looking for a defensive approach. Is that the case? Are you doing something like building a hybrid Jesus?

Sorry, I'm a bit confused. My original post had nothing to do with warriors or chainsaw.
I guess you meant to address it to @WellyLuga since he uploaded screenshots of Michonne. Perhaps he can answer your questions
Thanks.

FuriousMoldovan said:

Gotcha.
Yeah nah, I'm not using balanced survivors. I'm building tank assaults & bruisers for 50+ lvl, so I guess 2 badge DR won't make much sense as you said.
I was just really curious whether it was possible and found out about set bonus calculation flaws in the process

Thanks!

Burmeliinis

FuriousMoldovan said:

Karajoca said:

Can't believe you are questioning @Burmeliinis answer 🤦🏻‍♂️

Why?
I can't believe you are implying that critical thinking is prohibited in NML. 🤦🏻‍♂️ 
It's NML, not North Korea.

Of course I questioned @Burmeliinis until he gave a link to the answer by a known NML official (Fluxxx), i.e. the equivalent of trusted credible source of info in NML.
And I thanked him for it. Simple.

Anyway, I'm not using balanced survivors. Asked original question for building tank bruisers & assaults for 50+ lvl. Thanks.

I see, i was missing the "credible author" tag. I guess I should try to get such a badge from Fluxxx so that people with 600+ posts don't think I'm just trolling.

FuriousMoldovan

@Burmeliinis
Hey, double-checking and a smaller ego - never hurts to have

Partially because:

brucewayne007

Karajoca said:

Can't believe you are questioning @Burmeliinis answer 🤦🏻‍♂️

Anyway, i had Michonne same as Wes showed you, that was built i was really proud of, and refused to reroll her long time, but truth is there is no place in this game (at least at this moment when we speak of it) for something like "hybrid" all-around balanced survivor. 
They just stop being useful around 41/42 level 

All we have now is extremely offensive survivors and weapons, you go all in and try to kill with it, if fail, there are meat-shields to protect you or stun/root and survive the turn.
Would be cool if we can put hybrid survivors like some gladiators in the mission where they fight, attack, take hit, stand on feet, keep attacking.... but i guess that ship sailed. 

At the end of the day whether he’s right or not. 

Dude needs to get some sunshine. 

He’s a dick that in his words is very demeaning. 

He needs to stop having his black and white persona and people might take his shit as gospel. He’s correct very often. 

But just a twat

ATLAS-Z

I'm confused , who's the dick?

Ah hell, people suck. Rage!! 

ghost_pepper

And @Karajoca is so wrong about "no place in the game" when gw and distance both offer useful places for a hybrid character. So wrong! More rage!!!!

Ok my turn. Someone rage at me. Maybe my pepper ain't so hot. 

FuriousMoldovan

Well, that escalated quickly...

Are you guys done "pepper-measuring"? 😆

Paste

brucewayne007 said:

Dude needs to get some sunshine. 

He’s a dick that in his words is very demeaning. 

He needs to stop having his black and white persona and people might take his shit as gospel. He’s correct very often. 

But just a twat

Sounds like someone's still hurt from being corrected previously. Don't take it out on the messanger. If you were wrong, be thankful that you're now less wrong.

EngAamie

i m 3years into this game, and still not a single  21+5 DR badge,,,, ahhhh, sighhh,,, !!!!
i dont know how you people got so many 21+5 dr badges.  and after a year of farm i have leg components to craft only about 15 leg badges. ...ahhh sigh again.... ofcourse a total f2p...

3vilrine

brucewayne007 said:

Karajoca said:

Can't believe you are questioning @Burmeliinis answer 🤦🏻‍♂️

Anyway, i had Michonne same as Wes showed you, that was built i was really proud of, and refused to reroll her long time, but truth is there is no place in this game (at least at this moment when we speak of it) for something like "hybrid" all-around balanced survivor. 
They just stop being useful around 41/42 level 

All we have now is extremely offensive survivors and weapons, you go all in and try to kill with it, if fail, there are meat-shields to protect you or stun/root and survive the turn.
Would be cool if we can put hybrid survivors like some gladiators in the mission where they fight, attack, take hit, stand on feet, keep attacking.... but i guess that ship sailed. 

At the end of the day whether he’s right or not. 

Dude needs to get some sunshine. 

He’s a dick that in his words is very demeaning. 

He needs to stop having his black and white persona and people might take his shit as gospel. He’s correct very often. 

But just a twat

Don't worry these are the big brain discord gang, they know everything better..

WellyLuga

If the question was about why I have Michonne in a hybrid build there are a few reasons. I am still clinging to the past where Michelle and 2 scouts was a viable team, I sometimes use it in scavenge missions to break the monotony of Gov/PGG lead. You can really fly through with Michonne lead with a SS blade then 2 scouts! I also have Beta and Jesus in a glass cannon setup and no real need for a 3rd. Finally, I'm intrigued by the morning star so haven't completely written off a hybrid build!

I agree there is no place for it in endgame but if you're still building and the challenge doesn't go too high above 100% body shots then a handy setup to have IMO.

Karajoca

Umm... am i just called dick for claiming that balanced survivor has no use after lvl42 ? Or for asking why questioning the guy who probably did more research when comes to numbers in this game then their developers itself ? 

@FuriousMoldovan you asked a question here, you got an answer, and then said "thanks but you are not correct" So, why coming here and asking if you know the answers ? That's the part that tickled me and i had to get involved.

FuriousMoldovan said:

Anyway, I'm not using balanced survivors. Asked original question for building tank bruisers & assaults for 50+ lvl. Thanks.

If you want to have survivor with 2 DR badges only, then yes, you are building "balanced" survivor, because in his/her 6 slots you will involve 3 types of badges. 

I just wanted to help and answer since i already been there, tried many combinations and there is no need to build bruiser/assault with 2 DR badges so you can put, what exactly, 1 damage badge ? It's kind of better if they deal less damage.