Balance change - discussion

Amiga

As @Teeceezy stated from tomorrow new Balance Change.
http://forums.nextgames.com/walkingdead/discussion/5664/balance-changes#latest

I have to say these changes are indeed good.
Finally lower gas single cost!
Raid - 2 gas and 10 TG is also a good change. Just less jingling trying to find high amount of TG to rob. More Outpost will stay safe...
Of course better lvl gear from crates big '+'
In overall one step forward )

I also waiting for more XP from scrapping gear...

Poppy

Did I imagine it when they said pre outposts, that outpost wouldn't use gas?

drinky

nope i recall similar ;-)

shabba

Gas Cost: One unit of gas will now cost 2 Gold, instead of the 4 Gold prior.

now this will tempt me to go to the gas station for a refuel, now if we could only choose the amount of gas to buy instead of having a full tank pushed on us it would be awesome.

Alibaba

In beta, they did not use gas, only used 10 TG and many players reported this in the threads. No one officially announced that Outpost would or wouldn't use gas.

Amiga

@Alibaba
First NG back support )
I asked during beta OldGoth about gas in Outpost and he answered me that decision is still not made. I don't mind to use gas in outpost but with 2 challenges...
Anyway I would like to see option to buy every amount of gas like @shabba wrote

drinky

yeah im waiting for the day that perhaps outposts actually play a part in guild life, and we have one challenge and some time for everything else like outposts, as to much now.

also would like to see some balancing done on farm and tent output, as currently the "economics" as i heard it called at the later game stage is a bit out of wack, and farms just aren't worth it past lev 7 currently, same with tents, as XP costs for weapons as constantly reported is just to much and scrap value is too little...

but the current proposals are certainly a good start

Lynz4tex

shabba said:

Gas Cost: One unit of gas will now cost 2 Gold, instead of the 4 Gold prior.

now this will tempt me to go to the gas station for a refuel, now if we could only choose the amount of gas to buy instead of having a full tank pushed on us it would be awesome.

I so agree!

woodstock

The changes are good, but I would appreciate if NG would fix the serious bugs first, before they increase the raid cost. Especially the bug, where you end up raiding a different player than you selected, mostly giving you much less Trade Goods than stated. This bug already cost me thousands of Trade Goods.

Poppy

Someone definatly did say about no gas, it was in one of the early threads but the forums full of so any threads I can't find it was either teezey or tk and was in responce to a question I asked.

kryptonix

@Poppy Datamine through the search feature and see what pops up

AysatyoPet

here.. its TK-421 who said it..
http://forums.nextgames.com/walkingdead/discussion/2251/sign-ups-for-the-outposts-beta-test-are-now-closed/p1

Poppy

Found it.

eetu

You do understand that this game is a living entity, and at times we need to adjust how things work. Sometimes it's twiddling a value here and there, sometimes it will be adding or removing functionality. These changes are meant to make a more balanced and well working game, and it should be in your (as players) best interest that we change things. One day it will be something that goes against something we said earlier, you should prepare yourselves for the eventuality. This time TK did add a proper disclaimer though

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward-looking_statement

zoson

Thanks guys, i really like these changes. Outpost needed to mature a bit, and this does that! As for the rest of the changes, everyone's squad is going to improve a good bit now!

TK-421

Looking back at my answer in that screenshot I come across as pretty unsure about the gas thing, so you shouldn't take it as gospel!

Poppy

I did think it was more comittal from memory but when I found it it obsviisly wasnt as I remembered.

TK-421

No worries!

Morgan

Are you going to fix the game progress roll back? @TK-421 @eetu @Teeceezy
Because in case you don't know, some of us are severely affected by this. and the help desk is taking a few years to answer.

Teeceezy

Stay on-topic please, Morgan. Support will get back to everyone as soon as they can - as i'm sure you understand, there's a bit of a spike in tickets at this moment in time.

zoson

@Morgan Since you're in conquer, you've probably already done this(i haven't looked, shame on me) due to being relatively in the know... buuut just in case. I think the procedure is submit an in game ticket, and then post in the bugs forum and tag one of the staff/teeceezy. At least, that's what it appears @zbot and @alibaba are doing for people who are having the issue.

Amiga

@Teeceezy @OldGoth @TK-421 @eetu
Still few important things need to be changed regarding balance.

1 primo - extra 3 locks cost need to be dropped from 25 to 15.
2 secondo - exploration missions gas cost need to be changed from 6 to 3
3 tertio - guaranteed xp and supplies from exploration missions need to go up
4 voto - more xp from scrapping fully upgraded gear

You welcome

Rick_ZK

@Amiga You nailed it this time. Agreeing 100%.

PimpOfTheDead

Regarding the balancing changes I don't really have an opinion regarding the outpost changes as I don't play those a lot or trade goods, but wanted to give a big thank you to next games staff for lowering the gas costs with gold, I like to play & farm a lot & spend way to much gold on gas & being that each run costs 6 gas doesn't really leave a lot of play time before needing a recharge & the cost was outrageous for gas. I'm very happy with this change & think it's a way more reasonable price & will prob be willing to buy way more bundles now as most of my gold goes towards gas & hospitals lol, anyways once again thank u thank u thank u ng great change ))))

Andu

Sorry for having a different opinion @eetu but how the outpost will be worthy with this new change ?

When all peoples will become smart and will keep their rewards from challenges until they will reach 7-8 tickets, the outpost will be really really useless because wont be outposts with more than 200 resources ... this new change with 10 resources per search is really really pointless and make the outpost useless. You get no profit, in fact you will lose time,resources and you will get your survivors in hospital

ish

Isn't outpost useless in general though ? I mean don;t get me wrong its great feature, its fun and i believe lots of people play for leaderboard, but for progress it is completely useless. You get enough trade goods from guild challenges to get at least 2 legendary crates per week. And on top of that with little patience you can get exactly what you want from the crates (PLEASE FIX IT). There is no real benefit (except fun) to play outpost at all. If there was xp/tomatoes involved in raiding, then yes it would make sense to do it...

As for the balancing changes i love the cheaper gas and better rewards. But unfortunately it is a tradition now that new content or any changes will break something that was working perfectly fine before, which happened this time as well:

this is what you see when you purchase crate from marketplace. It says "Guild" and... there is no crate... well there is invisible one. If you click on it you will get something but need to go through your inventory to find out what it was.


*EDIT* Actually it was only first one that looked like that, next ones looks fine

Lynz4tex

I bought the gold crate 3 times first two time was great 22500 tomatoes and 25000 xp ... 3rd crate well



Opened it and there was nothing. Grrrrrrr... Please return my 500 crates.

dbz

outpost seems to have no value for low level players. should I focus on progressing the episodes and leveling up characters rather than waste gas on attacking outposts? this new update is more hurtful than beneficial for new players.

AysatyoPet

dbz said:

outpost seems to have no value for low level players. should I focus on progressing the episodes and leveling up characters rather than waste gas on attacking outposts? this new update is more hurtful than beneficial for new players.

no matter what, you should always prioritize leveling up your survivors. you can ignore outpost and spend your TG earned from challenges on leveling up walkers. but always prioritize leveling up of survivors so that everything else will be easier.

Alibaba

@dbz yea wait until it's fixed and work on getting further in other aspects of the game.

PimpOfTheDead

The legendary gear for 7500 isn't worth it anyways unless u get to choose what survivor u want something for or might just be paying for a crappy bruiser weapon lol, u got the exact same chance at gold boxes from deadly or other exploration missions from farming, & no it would really suck if people could rob food & XP as u might as well just be playing game of war cause people like me spend good money on the game & would stop spending if what I pay for got robbed & would really suck for the smaller players trying to get ahead as I think of them trying to have fun not caring about the boards or ranks & would like to see people succeed & would have no part in constantly keeping them down either, Just tg to rob in outpost is fine with me & if people are always winding up in hospital for doing raids obviously doing something wrong or need better survivors cause even most of the higher level survivors in an outpost I can break through flawless just need to strategize a little lol