PSA: NG is planning on nerfing Luck

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  • Japes87Japes87 Member Posts: 1,398
    Sureshot doesn't seem to be working properly .. it's unknown if luck is affecting the new weapon charge trait .. silencer does seem to be working with luck.. some confirmation of some sort from any devs would be absolutely fantastic and save some of us hours upon hours of more testing
    PR0DJ
  • Sipher07Sipher07 Member Posts: 591
    Amateur programming if there's so many bugs
    mongo911
  • steste Member Posts: 108
    Do we know if bullet dodge has a Base percentage without having it as a trait? If so I presume luck is still better than having bullet dodge if you have to choose between the two. I think it does because I'm sure one of my shooters dodged a bullet without having the bullet dodge trait
  • ATLAS-ZATLAS-Z Member Posts: 2,465
    edited August 2016
    Just fully upgraded a Bruiser Hammer with Charging 30%, and Luck +10%... have it to my Bruiser with Luck +12%

    Gonna take him in a low level Challenge mission and report what I find here:


    Kill Attack (with Zero starting Charge points) #
    1. Normal charge
    2. Normal charge
    3. Normal charge
    4. Double charge
    5. Normal charge
    6. Normal charge
    7. Double charge
    8. Double charge
    9. Double charge
    10. Normal charge
    11. Double charge
    12. Normal charge
    13. Normal charge
    14. Normal charge
    15. Normal charge
    16. Normal charge
    17. Normal charge
    18. Normal charge
    19. Normal charge
    20. Double charge
    21. Normal charge
    22. Double charge
    23. Double charge
    24. Double charge
    25. Normal charge
    26. Normal charge
    27. Normal charge
    28. Double charge
    29. Normal charge

    Looking like 30% so far... no stack.
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  • PR0DJPR0DJ Member Posts: 834
    I wonder if NG actually has programmers...
    Write code then check and rewrite it if there are mistakes.
    It's fucking baby-coding. I was programming much more sophisticated shit when I was 7 just for fun.
    And yeah - I know business also. So for saying one thing but doing/selling another - everybody will burn in hell (not as I actually believe in your stupid hell, but for real - just endless suffering).

    Good luck NG. (and this time it is not very sincere)
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  • @Teeceezy @OldGoth @Shadowkeeper

    +1,000,000 for @MizTy 's post
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  • mongo911mongo911 Member Posts: 939
    Goodness those Fins sure are quiet...

    The Gamers received a nice " Goodie Bag " for last week...

    But...

    The Board Members are still pissed-off...

    Most businesses would try a different tactic... ( maybe silence is the new tactic... )

    ( I don't think they respect the Guild Council... )
    I am easily confused by other people's, laziness and sloppiness and greed...

    Any guess who might " now " be on my list, ( in 2017 )





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  • TheLostOnesTheLostOnes Member Posts: 3,030
    Yes, and we were actually told @OldGoth would be a lot more active and would answer questions about the game's mechanics.

    Many questions would probably be easy to answer. Just spent 2x10 minutes on the forum each day and you will help us a lot.
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  • PR0DJPR0DJ Member Posts: 834
    edited August 2016
    DLich said:

    Post something under the wrong topic and they'll be here in a moment to correct it
    Ask a question about gameplay, wait 2 weeks for an answer until it makes its way to page 3 and off into oblivion ignored.
    Sound about right?

    It is so true. I can summon @zbot to mod-edit or delete my thread/post or even ban me in 30 seconds. I don't know if he even sleep.

    And I was constantly asking Devs legit questions about gameplay in many threads and even in PM, and most of them were never answered. Some of the threads was shadow-banned.

    It's way to go guys! @NG @OldGoth @Teeceezy @Shadowkeeper @Nekobasu , keep doing it while you still can.
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  • DLichDLich Member Posts: 5,526
    edited August 2016
    I posted this pic in another thread earlier today asking if luck stacked.

    75% chance to resist stun on armor
    15% luck on weapon
    12% luck on survivor

    That would mean I'm outposts it would be impossible to stun me correct?

    This either luck currently stacks on it and it'll be fixed or doesn't stack on it. The 75% armor trait will be reduced to 30% on 2.1 or something

    Moral of the story we asked mods for an answer which I can guarantee will never come sadly

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  • OldGothOldGoth Staff Posts: 297
    Yeah.

    There's going to be changes & clarifications to how Dodge & Luck stack. As you point out, there's inconsistency in the systems now. We had to figure out how to fix them all in one go first, before saying anything. We have a plan now, and it'll be made public along with other release notes for a future update.
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  • TheLostOnesTheLostOnes Member Posts: 3,030
    @OldGoth thanks for letting us know.
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  • DLichDLich Member Posts: 5,526
    edited August 2016
    Ultimately it'll stack the percentage of the original trait.

    30% dodge with 45% luck would currently "potentially give" 75% dodge.

    I expect the luck percentage will be the percentage of the original trait.

    45% of 30% is 13.5%. So dodge will then be 43.5%. I expect this to be another huge nerf.

    Call me cynical but I'll be sure to follow up after this new "luck clarification" comes about

    It will be found under the "balancing" section if the update notes

    If your survivor doesn't have dodge ( 0%) then any percentage of luck is meaningless. 100% of 0 is 0.

    I'm calling it now, luck will only stack on traits that a survivor has and/or weapons the percentage of which the trait is present and it'll be called balancing yet be a huge nerf

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  • DLichDLich Member Posts: 5,526
    Or luck will be advised only stacks on traits that survivors have (not armor or weapons).

    Bottom line it won't work the way it does now, and it'll work in a disadvantage to the players.

    That's what I've grown to expect from NG when they tell me there's going to be changed in how something works.

    Avoid the question of how it currently works to tell us it's gonna work differently.

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  • PR0DJPR0DJ Member Posts: 834
    @DLich Why in seven hells you are giving them ideas how to nerf? You said yourself that they using all that we are writing against us.
  • TeeceezyTeeceezy Staff Posts: 3,576
    In a future update after 2.1, the effects of the Luck trait will not stack when it appears both on a Survivor and their equipment. After that future change, only the higher-value trait will apply if a Survivor has more than one source of Luck.

    This change is part of a group of improvements to Outpost gameplay, and will increase the viability of other strategies. In update 2.1, Luck will also begin affecting the Swift Strike, Threat Reduction, Charging, Silenced and Bullet Proof traits.
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  • DLichDLich Member Posts: 5,526
    So luck max would be 15% (or higher if you go for a 10 level survivor and luck is on the survivor)

    Also explains bundles without luck.

    Basically luck will work on weapon or survivor not both.

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  • @Teeceezy

    Wow so your nerfing luck? :/ I'm not trying to be rude or sarcastic but people will quit if you do that. Lots of people. I know you just explained why but you are going to lose money big time when that gets implemented. I'm not threatening I'm prognosticating.
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  • snafusnafu Member Posts: 226
    Will the same apply for dodge? Either survivor or equipment trait, not stacked?
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  • AmigaAmiga Member Posts: 3,770
    So no more luck for equipment and survivors traits? Only higher lvl trait will stack with luck?
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  • DLichDLich Member Posts: 5,526
    I would assume any trait that could be found on more than 2 places would be affected.

    Luck
    Dodge
    Iron Skin

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