I am a largely FTP player. The last weapons bundles I purchased were two rifle bundles last spring or summer. I do splurge for a gas booster, no more than once a week. I did get the Rare Reckonin' from the TG shop, but I have never upgraded it or used it in a mission (or Rufus, for that matter). I did not purchase the legendary Reckonin'. I just wanted to point out that whenever NG "fixes" something, it is always made less powerful. Unless, of course, the fix is for the strength of the Walkers. Just something I've noticed.
@morbis02 The point of the weapon is that it looks goofy, and it's fun to set walkers on fire. We thought we got that across in the Talking Dead collaboration. We never intended to sneak in the best weapon in the game that unbalances the end-game content and violates the free/paid player ethics of the company.
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WHAT free/paid player ethics of the company? Did I miss the chance to get some of the available-for-pay weapons for free? or are they available and the RNG just didn't happen to give me the opportunity? Has anyone managed to get Morgan's staff, for instance, for free?
@Mamamia You touched very well the reality of this situation. It's very clear now that they knew well about the body shot so call bug. They waited the 48 hour interval so Google play customers won't give refunds anymore. It's also incredible to have a guy like Shteevie that seems is paid to destroy all fun and tactics of this game. Wait to see the 2.4 challange rework. It will drive thousands away. It's going from bad to worse.And you are right.They are incompetent. They don't play the game .They sell it.And that shteevie doesn't care about game play. Hell.He I believe doesn't realise this is a game. That we play and pay to have fun.He's interest is just in milking us the moneycow. But giving us hell every few weeks is just driving us away. Slow and steady the game is sinking. Gameplay is boring and linear.No tactics at all.Melee useless.Just point and shoot. And now he is reworking the challange .God help us!!! IF I WERE NG I'D GIVE AN APOLOGY FIRST THEN REFUND EVERY DOLLAR AND FIRE THE DEVELOPING TEAM. Better cut the losses now then later.Might be too late after 2.4 is live. Or they could just restore interrupt and dodge and let the game to be fun again.I know they won't do neither but ...they for sure won't be able to restore our confidence ever.
> @Mamamia said: > Open letter to NG: > > I have been playing this game for over a year. You probably wouldn't even need the fingers on both hands to count how many times I've posted on the forum. So I am not a chronic complainer. I just have to have my say this time around. > > I had no idea that The Reckoning wasn't causing body shots. I honestly don't pay that close attention. All I knew was that it was fun and effective. I purchased the legendary based on the performance of the rare. Not because of any advertising for what may or may not be included. I must have missed the fine print! And to make things go boom. I had no devious plans to subvert the apocalypse through an unfair advantage. I bought it in good faith that I would receive what I had paid for. And I did! For a few days:-( Then, alas, my faith was betrayed. The money I had spent to buy a fun and effective weapon, the XP required to upgrade it and the gold spent to speed it along so I could start whacking walkers, was completely wasted. > > I was only able to eke out 6 more challenge stars than normal. I don't see how this completely overbalanced the game. My hunters and shooters were still more deadly. The Molotov cocktail softened the Z's up nice for the kill. This was not the best weapon out there. It was an EFFECTIVE weapon. Isn't that what the whole point of acquiring and upgrading weaponry? You are supposed to be able to do a little better with a new weapon. Aren't you? Oh, I stand corrected. I want GOOFY weaponry! So the walkers can laugh themselves to re-death?!? Seriously? Why would anybody who isn't going to Disneyworld pay good money for GOOFY?!? > > Now we know that the only reason it was effective at all was because it didn't cause body shots. Otherwise it is a very poor weapon. Why would you take the only thing going for it away? Oh, right! We were somehow supposed to know that you don't make weapons that don't cause body shots. Because you are so open about these things. > > But the point is it was FUN!!! Just like Interrupt was fun at higher levels because it was a different tactic that required thought and focus. And we can't have that, can we? FUN in a GAME!!! The horror!!! What kind of game company consistently makes every effort to take the fun out of playing? The Reckoning got me excited to play again. Since you nerfed Interrupt it had gotten decidedly boring. Your 'rebalancing' causes the game to be less fun and markedly decreases consumer confidence. Both of which you can't afford to lose. > > You have actually taken responsibility for your mistake. That's an improvement, at least. Let me offer some advice on how to improve further. Stop making US pay for YOUR mistakes. You screw up and the only way you can think of to fix it is to screw us? Unacceptable as a business philosophy. You would think that there would be creative problem solvers employed at a company that creates games. The relationship between producer and consumer should be a symbiotic one. Instead, your 'fixes' continually leech the fun out of the game. If the only way to correct your mistake is to take away that which the consumer wants, you need to hire better people. It's an unsustainable business model. Any time you have to make a change your goal should be a win/win solution for the customer and the company. Stop scrambling to fix what your scrambling to produce has caused and take the time to do it right in the first place! > > I'm going to let you in on a little secret... people absolutely HATE having things taken away from them. Whether paying or play for free, it doesn't matter. So make your mission statement: Don't take anything away, EVER! Here's a fix for your problem: put the Reckoning into the queue for mission crates, trade good crates or even a reward for completing a story mission (if we ever get any new ones). That levels the playing field and helps to rebalance the overbalancing you did on enemies. Why take away an obvious source of revenue? You could even make it so it does damage to anyone in the blast zone. That would actually be fair. Also, make it so we can share resources within our guilds. That way I can donate one of my Reckonings to one of my unfortunate Android user guild mates who got completely hosed in Reckoninggate. It would strengthen guilds which most people in guild have stated is the ONLY reason they have stayed with this game. > > I love the admonishment of 'you (the customer) should have told us that it wasn't causing body shots'. It's your JOB to know. Long before we ever do! If I made as many mistakes in my job as a paramedic as your company seems to do, there would be a lot of dead people around. Rebalancing and bug fixing are nicer terms than incompetence. Expecting us to do your work for you and reprimanding us when we have failed to do so is the height of laziness and hubris! > > The adversarial stance that you have continually taken with your customers is repugnant. We, the consumers, are the problem. Our expectations are too high! (Insert mocking laughter here!) You seem to conveniently forget that we pay your salaries. Is it so difficult to understand that we expect a certain amount of return for our largesse? We want what we pay for. It is as simple as that. I don't want some pathetic attempt to mollify me with one minute gas after you take away what I paid money to buy (synonym: stealing). I want the exact weapon that I purchased in good faith from your company. You claim that you don't go backwards, only forwards. But isn't that exactly what you have done? Gone back to fix your mistake at my expense? You only go forward, but you fail to realize that you are going downhill! > > I keep on hearing 'wait, we have good things coming'. But then you nerf them! Every single time you do something like this you are telling us that there is absolutely no point in putting money into this game. Why would you think that's the message you want to advertise? It's ssa thinking. > > P.S. To Players > > @Shteevie keeps on saying that all he needs to know comes from the game data. We keep on telling him how we feel. We are speaking 2 different languages. NG will never hear us. > > Here's the thing...NG's behavior isn't new. Our reactions to their behavior isn't new. I feel like I am in an abusive relationship. I can't believe that I am actually surprised when I get hit! NG keeps doing the same things expecting different results. So do I. Something needs to change and I lack any confidence that it will be NG. I want to leave this game, but I cannot leave the friends I have made while playing it. I need to do some serious thinking about how to accomplish this. Does anyone know of a FUN game from a REPUTABLE company that I can convince 150 people to switch to?
I completely agree. This is eloquently written and to the heart of the problem. Please learn from your mistakes so you do not run more of us off ng.
So you admitted to "owning" this weapon days before NG claimed to have any knowledge of the bodyshot "bug"... did you not play around with the rare version or the legendary one that you had? I have a very hard time believing that you you didn't realize it!
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@Mystique , I own the rare version and have upgraded it (I got it since I like to collect unique weapons, I still have Wide Margin the free Morgan's Staff), I used it to test on some missions and outpost and until yesterday I had no idea regarding the "no body shot" issue. It was never discussed on the forum until yesterday.
> @zbot said: > @Mystique , I own the rare version and have upgraded it (I got it since I like to collect unique weapons, I still have Wide Margin the free Morgan's Staff), I used it to test on some missions and outpost and until yesterday I had no idea regarding the "no body shot" issue. It was never discussed on the forum until yesterday.
Oh it was mentioned, not in detail, by a few players, and each time I thought to myself "Shhhhhhhhhhh! You idiot!"
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I can understand that view point @zbot that some people like to just collect the unique weapons.. but both of your examples were essentially free (yes the rare was for the tgs but not actual money) I don't think one person that bought this weapon with real money bought it just for esthetic purposes!
If there is anyone here that did.. please do tell and I will eat my words!
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Oh it was mentioned, not in detail, by a few players, and each time I thought to myself "Shhhhhhhhhhh! You idiot!"
Exactly. I think those who bought the weapon are due a refund on principle. NG's timing on the fix and opposition to refunds makes them look really bad, whether or not it was intended as a bait and switch, and I wish they would reconsider.
But those posters who are claiming this info was "all over the forums" and "everybody knew" are being disingenuous at best. The only reference I saw was in an earlier Reckonin thread where someone was asking if it was supposed to function like other ranged weapons. Lots of people may have known (I didn't), but there wasn't much attention drawn to the fact. I suspect most who knew were quietly hoping NG wouldn't notice, because they knew NG would change it when they found out. Because it wasn't intended. Which says a lot about the righteous attitude on display from some posters. A lot of players knew of this weapon behavior, but didn't dare ask because they knew it woukd be nerfed if the answer was no.
Guys, guys, they won't make the Reckonin more powerful or more useful...
Rule #1: The Reckonin was intended as a novelty, not to overshadow any other aspect of the game.
This is a fact.
Some of us used it anyway, discovered how it could be a bit helpful to soften up bulky walkers... (I personal only got maybe 5-10 more stars than usual with it, hardly over powered, but useful)
As more people started to discover its usefulness, NG saw fit to invoke Rule #1.
I doubt our spent $$ ever played a part in their decision. Rule #1, that is all.
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I had no idea that The Reckoning wasn't causing body shots. I honestly don't pay that close attention. All I knew was that it was fun and effective. I purchased the legendary based on the performance of the rare.
I was only able to eke out 6 more challenge stars than normal. I don't see how this completely overbalanced the game. My hunters and shooters were still more deadly. The Molotov cocktail softened the Z's up nice for the kill.
Then you have no problem with the correction to the item as it is. For you the item still functions as normal, still does the damage indicated with the same stats that were listed.
The issue was not getting 6 more stars then normal, it was getting 100's. This was with the rare version of the weapon, now with a Legendary version (or 2) maps could/would have been endlessly repeatable again.
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And that would have been really bad right? Players having fun is really bad .Especially in a game.How is that bad?Nobody repeats endlessly.As leader boards are broken not even a 2 days player cares about the number of stars. It's become irrelevant for 99% of players. Seems only purpose in life for NG developers is to nerf the game to hell just for me or other players not to be able to get a few stars by repeating a few times a few stages.it's insane. By nerfing everything they impact all players equally .well that's not quite true. They drive away the one suporting the most the game. It's like getting fire to your pants. They'll burn indeed but you'll burn with them too.
@kryptonix how can you say that @Mamamia shouldn't have a problem based on the fact she didn't realize it didn't bodyshot? She specifically said something about its performance being effective.. just because she didn't relate it to that "term" doesn't mean she didn't purchase the legendary based off if what the rare one was doing!
@kryptonix Those 6 stars weren't easy. I one starred six missions. OMG I almost crashed the game!!! I bought the legendary because of how the rare functioned. I am upset because NG changed how they functioned. I don't really care about the minutiae of how and why they functioned as they did. I bought it because of what was under the hood, not what was on the sticker. Now there's a mouse on a wheel running around in my engine compartment!
@Mystique@Mamamia the point being is at an equal level of RSL to survivor the effect of the reckonin was not as apparent as to a point when you reached RSL +5.
Meaning at an equal level you may have been better off using, as was noted, a shooter or hunter that provided more damage. However at the point in time where all shots are now body shots, the weapon becomes all powerful.
As such again, it wasn't about the 6 extra stars but the 100 extra stars. At that equal level the weapon performs almost equally to how it did previously, give or take some RNG.
I haven't commented on here because I didn't buy the weapon. I wasn't aware of its capabilities. I can completely understand why people are upset over its change.
I see both sides of the issue.
I don't think players were malicious. I believe whole heartedly that people bought it because they saw how awesome it was with the rare version. Maybe they didn't understand why it was so awesome but they found it worth spending money to buy.
If it's a bug then by all means fix it BUT refund the players. They bought it with the expectation that it worked similarly to the way the rare one worked.
I never used the rare reckonin but I bought it. Not the legendary one though. I don't buy weapons.
Now the weekend event (plus Thursday) is awesome for me because 1 minute gas is great. But if the 1 minute gas is meant to appease paying players that bought this bundle then I'm benefitting from others pain.
I am thankful and will say kudos to the weekend event being 1 minute gas and extended a day but it can't be because of the mess up of this weapon. I shouldn't be able to reap rewards on a loss I didn't take.
This thread is titled partially about the weekend event so thank you NG for that event. It's a personal and many favorite. It saves me buying $2 gas and since I would never buy it 4 days in a row it's technically an $8 value.
But you can't help me save $8 in replacement of those that spent whatever this weapon cost.
So I don't think this event is to "repay" or whatever those that lost on this weapon. They are 2 seperate entities.
It's been said in this thread that refunds via the App Store that NG takes a partial hit. They don't refund the ENTIRE purchase cost to NG. The player may get their full refund but apple or google take some of the hit. That's irrelevant (and sheisty if that's why you want players yo go through the app stores)
If you know players bought this weapon because the rare weapon performed the same way and you changed how the weapon performed (I don't care about what the traits say) that's messed up.
Do right by your players.
I didn't even lose any money on this item and I can clearly understand people's frustration. Nobody attempted to get one over on NG. NG makes the rules. We play by them. Players bought the weapo based on the rules you put in place. To change the rules after a purchase isn't fair. You are well within your right to do so I guess but understand why your players are upset!
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Ummmm are you playing the same game as the rest of us @kryptonix? Aren't you in Conquer that competes for top leaderboards? Don't you all push yourselves 3-5 RSL above your levels? This "bug" wasn't news to any of you! Seriously not trying to call you out and be rude.. but come on now.. I'm not buying it that you all didn't know about this way before the "nerf"
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This doesn't exactly pertain to this thread but relevant. When NG changed ricks pistol for fear it would be too powerful is it still an investment people find worth it?
Meaning is it any different than any other random legendary item I might find from s crate?
Assuming all things equal; does ricks pistol stand out as a weapon that delivers something that "can't be found on any other drop in the game"?
If the answer is no then you just did the same thing to the reckonin.
At least Morgan's staff and that pole thing do special things. Reckonin acts special (circle of fire) and looks cool but it's non "memorable" so to speak.
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Ummmm are you playing the same game as the rest of us @kryptonix? Aren't you in Conquer that competes for top leaderboards? Don't you all push yourselves 3-5 RSL above your levels? This "bug" wasn't news to any of you! Seriously not trying to call you out and be rude.. but come on now.. I'm not buying it that you all didn't know about this way before the "nerf"
@Mystique I'm pretty sure most figured it out (the ones who like to push the limits). We all got our 2nd reckonin at the same time and that's when it became more apparent as to how the game would become one weapon/one class 'pay to win' game and clearly that is not NG's intention.
They reacted immediately; and for that, I appreciate it.
@WeekOne we've always gotten along in the past... but seriously pay to win? What are we winning? They sell weapons that are superior all of the time that F2p players can't get.. so that argument that I read from @Shteevie is invalid... there has been many weapons that were only available to paying players... otherwise who the hell would pay real money for the bundles if we could get them for free?
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I know @Mystique but the weapon was overpowering... it's plain and simple. All the other weapons give body shots at a certain RSL above ours and The Reckonin should be no different.
As for what do we win? Not enough, as guildies. We need more rewards!
Didn't we get advantages from Morgans staff and a bunch of others that I don't remember the names of because I refused to buy them because of previous nerfs.. How were the people that bought this were expected to know it wasn't another unique weapon with a slight advantage? We PAID for it
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@kryptonix at no point did I ever notice being all powerful. And believe me, I'd notice that! Lol So there are a very few people who will spend the massive amounts of time it would take to get 100 extra stars. Not to mention gas and gold for healing? When the majority don't play that way, why punish them?
We're getting off topic here. My issue is with NG's business ethics. Again. While it may be legal for them to go in and change something after people have paid for it, it is not ethical. At all! Hopefully, consumer law will catch up in the virtual world. But, until then NG still has the responsibility to behave ethically! As I stated earlier, make the mission statement of never taking things away that already belong to others. If that is at the core of how you approach a problem, and is the line that you DO NOT CROSS, then it will by necessity push you to be more creative in your fixes. Stimulating creativity in your work force is a GOOD thing in a creative industry. Fostering it will increase consumer enjoyment of your product, thereby increasing revenue. It will also increase consumer confidence in your company and avoid the necessity of your employees having to fend off an angry horde on the forum. Appearances aren't everything, but they sure as heck ain't nothing! Please, go back and read the many adjectives used in this thread to describe NG. I don't know how much NG's marketing budget is, but they would save a lot if they didn't have to counteract public opinion. Which, in this day and age, actually IS all powerful. Hit 'Like' if you agree! Lol
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WHAT free/paid player ethics of the company? Did I miss the chance to get some of the available-for-pay weapons for free? or are they available and the RNG just didn't happen to give me the opportunity? Has anyone managed to get Morgan's staff, for instance, for free?
Or they could just restore interrupt and dodge and let the game to be fun again.I know they won't do neither but ...they for sure won't be able to restore our confidence ever.
> Open letter to NG:
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> I have been playing this game for over a year. You probably wouldn't even need the fingers on both hands to count how many times I've posted on the forum. So I am not a chronic complainer. I just have to have my say this time around.
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> I had no idea that The Reckoning wasn't causing body shots. I honestly don't pay that close attention. All I knew was that it was fun and effective. I purchased the legendary based on the performance of the rare. Not because of any advertising for what may or may not be included. I must have missed the fine print! And to make things go boom. I had no devious plans to subvert the apocalypse through an unfair advantage. I bought it in good faith that I would receive what I had paid for. And I did! For a few days:-( Then, alas, my faith was betrayed. The money I had spent to buy a fun and effective weapon, the XP required to upgrade it and the gold spent to speed it along so I could start whacking walkers, was completely wasted.
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> I was only able to eke out 6 more challenge stars than normal. I don't see how this completely overbalanced the game. My hunters and shooters were still more deadly. The Molotov cocktail softened the Z's up nice for the kill. This was not the best weapon out there. It was an EFFECTIVE weapon. Isn't that what the whole point of acquiring and upgrading weaponry? You are supposed to be able to do a little better with a new weapon. Aren't you? Oh, I stand corrected. I want GOOFY weaponry! So the walkers can laugh themselves to re-death?!? Seriously? Why would anybody who isn't going to Disneyworld pay good money for GOOFY?!?
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> Now we know that the only reason it was effective at all was because it didn't cause body shots. Otherwise it is a very poor weapon. Why would you take the only thing going for it away? Oh, right! We were somehow supposed to know that you don't make weapons that don't cause body shots. Because you are so open about these things.
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> But the point is it was FUN!!! Just like Interrupt was fun at higher levels because it was a different tactic that required thought and focus. And we can't have that, can we? FUN in a GAME!!! The horror!!! What kind of game company consistently makes every effort to take the fun out of playing? The Reckoning got me excited to play again. Since you nerfed Interrupt it had gotten decidedly boring. Your 'rebalancing' causes the game to be less fun and markedly decreases consumer confidence. Both of which you can't afford to lose.
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> You have actually taken responsibility for your mistake. That's an improvement, at least. Let me offer some advice on how to improve further. Stop making US pay for YOUR mistakes. You screw up and the only way you can think of to fix it is to screw us? Unacceptable as a business philosophy. You would think that there would be creative problem solvers employed at a company that creates games. The relationship between producer and consumer should be a symbiotic one. Instead, your 'fixes' continually leech the fun out of the game. If the only way to correct your mistake is to take away that which the consumer wants, you need to hire better people. It's an unsustainable business model. Any time you have to make a change your goal should be a win/win solution for the customer and the company. Stop scrambling to fix what your scrambling to produce has caused and take the time to do it right in the first place!
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> I'm going to let you in on a little secret... people absolutely HATE having things taken away from them. Whether paying or play for free, it doesn't matter. So make your mission statement: Don't take anything away, EVER! Here's a fix for your problem: put the Reckoning into the queue for mission crates, trade good crates or even a reward for completing a story mission (if we ever get any new ones). That levels the playing field and helps to rebalance the overbalancing you did on enemies. Why take away an obvious source of revenue? You could even make it so it does damage to anyone in the blast zone. That would actually be fair. Also, make it so we can share resources within our guilds. That way I can donate one of my Reckonings to one of my unfortunate Android user guild mates who got completely hosed in Reckoninggate. It would strengthen guilds which most people in guild have stated is the ONLY reason they have stayed with this game.
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> I love the admonishment of 'you (the customer) should have told us that it wasn't causing body shots'. It's your JOB to know. Long before we ever do! If I made as many mistakes in my job as a paramedic as your company seems to do, there would be a lot of dead people around. Rebalancing and bug fixing are nicer terms than incompetence. Expecting us to do your work for you and reprimanding us when we have failed to do so is the height of laziness and hubris!
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> The adversarial stance that you have continually taken with your customers is repugnant. We, the consumers, are the problem. Our expectations are too high! (Insert mocking laughter here!) You seem to conveniently forget that we pay your salaries. Is it so difficult to understand that we expect a certain amount of return for our largesse? We want what we pay for. It is as simple as that. I don't want some pathetic attempt to mollify me with one minute gas after you take away what I paid money to buy (synonym: stealing). I want the exact weapon that I purchased in good faith from your company. You claim that you don't go backwards, only forwards. But isn't that exactly what you have done? Gone back to fix your mistake at my expense? You only go forward, but you fail to realize that you are going downhill!
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> I keep on hearing 'wait, we have good things coming'. But then you nerf them! Every single time you do something like this you are telling us that there is absolutely no point in putting money into this game. Why would you think that's the message you want to advertise? It's ssa thinking.
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> P.S. To Players
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> @Shteevie keeps on saying that all he needs to know comes from the game data. We keep on telling him how we feel. We are speaking 2 different languages. NG will never hear us.
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> Here's the thing...NG's behavior isn't new. Our reactions to their behavior isn't new. I feel like I am in an abusive relationship. I can't believe that I am actually surprised when I get hit! NG keeps doing the same things expecting different results. So do I. Something needs to change and I lack any confidence that it will be NG. I want to leave this game, but I cannot leave the friends I have made while playing it. I need to do some serious thinking about how to accomplish this. Does anyone know of a FUN game from a REPUTABLE company that I can convince 150 people to switch to?
I completely agree. This is eloquently written and to the heart of the problem. Please learn from your mistakes so you do not run more of us off ng.
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So you admitted to "owning" this weapon days before NG claimed to have any knowledge of the bodyshot "bug"... did you not play around with the rare version or the legendary one that you had?
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> @Mystique , I own the rare version and have upgraded it (I got it since I like to collect unique weapons, I still have Wide Margin the free Morgan's Staff), I used it to test on some missions and outpost and until yesterday I had no idea regarding the "no body shot" issue. It was never discussed on the forum until yesterday.
Oh it was mentioned, not in detail, by a few players, and each time I thought to myself "Shhhhhhhhhhh! You idiot!"
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Exactly. I think those who bought the weapon are due a refund on principle. NG's timing on the fix and opposition to refunds makes them look really bad, whether or not it was intended as a bait and switch, and I wish they would reconsider.
But those posters who are claiming this info was "all over the forums" and "everybody knew" are being disingenuous at best. The only reference I saw was in an earlier Reckonin thread where someone was asking if it was supposed to function like other ranged weapons. Lots of people may have known (I didn't), but there wasn't much attention drawn to the fact. I suspect most who knew were quietly hoping NG wouldn't notice, because they knew NG would change it when they found out. Because it wasn't intended. Which says a lot about the righteous attitude on display from some posters. A lot of players knew of this weapon behavior, but didn't dare ask because they knew it woukd be nerfed if the answer was no.
Rule #1: The Reckonin was intended as a novelty, not to overshadow any other aspect of the game.
This is a fact.
Some of us used it anyway, discovered how it could be a bit helpful to soften up bulky walkers...
(I personal only got maybe 5-10 more stars than usual with it, hardly over powered, but useful)
As more people started to discover its usefulness, NG saw fit to invoke Rule #1.
I doubt our spent $$ ever played a part in their decision. Rule #1, that is all.
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The issue was not getting 6 more stars then normal, it was getting 100's. This was with the rare version of the weapon, now with a Legendary version (or 2) maps could/would have been endlessly repeatable again.
I'm gonna have to high five that s**t sista
This thread is a brain storming session. NG appears to have stuck their fingers in their ears.
@Jenng I kind of feel dirty now!!
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Meaning at an equal level you may have been better off using, as was noted, a shooter or hunter that provided more damage. However at the point in time where all shots are now body shots, the weapon becomes all powerful.
As such again, it wasn't about the 6 extra stars but the 100 extra stars. At that equal level the weapon performs almost equally to how it did previously, give or take some RNG.
I don't know why that just came to mind to me....
I see both sides of the issue.
I don't think players were malicious. I believe whole heartedly that people bought it because they saw how awesome it was with the rare version. Maybe they didn't understand why it was so awesome but they found it worth spending money to buy.
If it's a bug then by all means fix it BUT refund the players. They bought it with the expectation that it worked similarly to the way the rare one worked.
I never used the rare reckonin but I bought it. Not the legendary one though. I don't buy weapons.
Now the weekend event (plus Thursday) is awesome for me because 1 minute gas is great. But if the 1 minute gas is meant to appease paying players that bought this bundle then I'm benefitting from others pain.
I am thankful and will say kudos to the weekend event being 1 minute gas and extended a day but it can't be because of the mess up of this weapon. I shouldn't be able to reap rewards on a loss I didn't take.
This thread is titled partially about the weekend event so thank you NG for that event. It's a personal and many favorite. It saves me buying $2 gas and since I would never buy it 4 days in a row it's technically an $8 value.
But you can't help me save $8 in replacement of those that spent whatever this weapon cost.
So I don't think this event is to "repay" or whatever those that lost on this weapon. They are 2 seperate entities.
It's been said in this thread that refunds via the App Store that NG takes a partial hit. They don't refund the ENTIRE purchase cost to NG. The player may get their full refund but apple or google take some of the hit. That's irrelevant (and sheisty if that's why you want players yo go through the app stores)
If you know players bought this weapon because the rare weapon performed the same way and you changed how the weapon performed (I don't care about what the traits say) that's messed up.
Do right by your players.
I didn't even lose any money on this item and I can clearly understand people's frustration. Nobody attempted to get one over on NG. NG makes the rules. We play by them. Players bought the weapo based on the rules you put in place. To change the rules after a purchase isn't fair. You are well within your right to do so I guess but understand why your players are upset!
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Meaning is it any different than any other random legendary item I might find from s crate?
Assuming all things equal; does ricks pistol stand out as a weapon that delivers something that "can't be found on any other drop in the game"?
If the answer is no then you just did the same thing to the reckonin.
At least Morgan's staff and that pole thing do special things. Reckonin acts special (circle of fire) and looks cool but it's non "memorable" so to speak.
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They reacted immediately; and for that, I appreciate it.
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As for what do we win? Not enough, as guildies. We need more rewards!
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We're getting off topic here. My issue is with NG's business ethics. Again. While it may be legal for them to go in and change something after people have paid for it, it is not ethical. At all! Hopefully, consumer law will catch up in the virtual world. But, until then NG still has the responsibility to behave ethically! As I stated earlier, make the mission statement of never taking things away that already belong to others. If that is at the core of how you approach a problem, and is the line that you DO NOT CROSS, then it will by necessity push you to be more creative in your fixes. Stimulating creativity in your work force is a GOOD thing in a creative industry. Fostering it will increase consumer enjoyment of your product, thereby increasing revenue. It will also increase consumer confidence in your company and avoid the necessity of your employees having to fend off an angry horde on the forum. Appearances aren't everything, but they sure as heck ain't nothing! Please, go back and read the many adjectives used in this thread to describe NG. I don't know how much NG's marketing budget is, but they would save a lot if they didn't have to counteract public opinion. Which, in this day and age, actually IS all powerful. Hit 'Like' if you agree! Lol