No More Hoarding = No More Motivation

@Shteevie @Teeceezy

After Shteeve told us not to expect any kind of Discount Call or ICEALS Event in the foreseeable future, I did what most of you did... I blew my load (of radios).

It was fun, I admit.

And ever since, every time I get 15 radios, I spend them immediately.

I was thinking about it today, and I noticed my overall motivation to play this game has began to gradually die down.

I wasn't sure why. Was it cuz I'm maxed out? I don't think so... I've been maxed out for a long time and that never stopped me from grinding away. Then it hit me. It's the No Hoarding...

See, even tho I was maxed out, I didn't mind... Increasing my stash of Radios was a real driving factor. In hopes of that eventual Event.

Eventual Event... That's funny.

I know Next is looking for new better ways to motivate play, and I hope they work (for veteran maxed players), but it's scary admitting to myself that one of my last motivators to play is now gone...

((On a side note, has anyone noticed a decline in the hero output of the 15 call? I feel like it's been pretty obviously tweaked. Another attempt to encourage us toward the laughably wasteful 10-call?))

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  • ATLAS-ZATLAS-Z Member Posts: 5,304
    I guess my point got lost there. It's this:

    Is Hoarding (for max level veterans) really such a bad thing? If it motivates play? If so, why?

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  • CaptainslayerCaptainslayer Member Posts: 1,430
    I've actually found the opposit in the 15 calls I've had an increase of show characters (except the 3 I actually want) so I'm not happy
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  • Mais88Mais88 Member Posts: 348
    Im with you. I was tempted to say the same thing but didn't. I have been overly obsessed with the game since May. Spent hours playing and way too much money for a game. But ever since @Shteevie announced that, I have lost a lot of desire to play the game. And Im only at Level 50. I figured boredom would set in eventually after I maxed out but turns out it set in really quickly after announcing no discounted calls in near future. Im just hoping the eventual Challenge change will liven it up enough to remove the boredom. We'll see..
  • blynknzblynknz Member Posts: 1,988
    There's no real motivation when you aren't actually competing against others.

    The main reason I am still here is because of the TWD name.
  • mandi138mandi138 Member Posts: 8
    I have much better luck on the 5 radio call than the 15 radio call. I don't hoard though. Save up 30 or so and then do a bunch of 5 radio calls.
  • DaleDale Member Posts: 1,122
    I'm level 58. I find that the only things I'm interested in anymore is spending radios (just because it's fun) and helping out my guild (because they are nice people).

    I run the current season missions to get the radios but I couldn't tell you the last time I ran a chapter story mission. I'm tired of raiding outposts and running scavenger missions. There isn't much point to them anyway: my survivors are all level 20 legendary and I have no weapons worth upgrading.

    I think I'm one of those people I used to talk about last year: I'm finished with the game but I'm still here for some reason. I'm really beginning to wonder why. Probably because I miss playing. Most days I just harvest. After Trial 5 is finished and I've gotten my stars, there really isn't anything to do.
  • DoTakDoTak Member Posts: 1,964
    It's okay. No need to brood in silence

    After all, the forum is like a support group
  • booshboosh Member Posts: 374
    I'm a level fifty and motivation for me is dwindling. I have maxed survivors and gear and have gone as far as humanly possible in the story mode. (Nightmare Chapter 14) I know eventually I will max out and become even less motivated since reading the many posts on that subject. For me hoarding has never been much past a couple hundred radios but it definitely is one of the most fun aspects anymore for me. I have a great guild but after putting up 400 stars and doing the weekly refresh I find myself just opening the game to harvest then back to the real world. It's really a bummer and becoming monotonous. We need some new content and NG needs to fix what is broken, not what they think they can improve. Play as you'd like but if it's not in their interest it seems it will be "fixed" broken or not. I really love this game but I've never played a game such that you seem to be punished and dissuaded for being invested enough to reach the max they allow you... Dont mean to sound sour just my 2 cents. Save it up and buy a bundle.
  • Shut_UpShut_Up Member Posts: 2,295
    What did you say that had such a great description? Oh yeah it was the part about the laughably wasteful 10 call. Love that description hope others will come up with more colorful descriptions like yours!
  • DjinnDjinn Member Posts: 168
    Iam at level 47 so still a long way to go to Max out. But last weekend I burned my 600 radios in the hope to expand the amount of survivors.

    Very little hero tokens,
    And only 1 epic that was worth keeping.
    All the other epics and legendarys had defensive stance. (5th trait from the one I kept was also ds)

    Such a effort to get the phones and so little in return. It's not motivating lol

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  • masmith93masmith93 Member Posts: 3,523
    I didn't blow my radio stash - I kept it and added to it (save 30, spend 15). I give myself an allowance for the hero type I want and whatever tokens I get - I get. I spent 100 on Maggie and only 10 on Glenn. I don't know if the 15 call was tweaked but I've never received hero tokens from the 15 call, so I'm forced to use the 10. I agree, the 10 call is generally disappointing. 4 calls in a row I got 2 stars then I finally get Maggie and it's 10 tokens almost every time. :|
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  • Bryan18Bryan18 Member Posts: 155
    I think people overreacted defensive stance too much it's not a it's not a deal-breaker maybe once you're at level 58 like I am then you can be picky but if you have a legendary don't scrap them use them if you're at level 47
  • AnielAniel Member Posts: 96
    edited February 2017
    They made a mistake by announcing there wouldn't be the call event we looked for. They had to make one last event and then announce it.

    Yes, I did the same (I will share my data/result as soon as I can, they were lot of calls). Now I feel sad I have always less than 15 radio.
    Yes, I unlocked all heroes but Michonne/Carl, but I found out how they become useless after having several legendary ones. They only helped me to gather the radio but now... they will become way less useful because with this system it will take forever to bring them to legendary.
    Yes, I refreshed my whole survivor team (even with some huge disappointments like 4 legendary survivors with both Defensive change/Overwatch), but I had some bad luck with Shooter class (useless legendary and not even one Rare worth to attempt the upgrade even with 3000 tokens) and I know, now I might take months to be able to try again to get a good one, because by having so many radios, I could always attempt my luck.
  • GladiGladi Member Posts: 616
    I have a small advantage compared to some of you guys. Though Im maxed in BP, my gear is maybe half way where I want it to be so I have reason to grind for XP. Have to admit I was really disapointed about info not getting disconted phone calls/ICELS in next 6 months and even more disapointed after burning my 1500+ radios. Now Im hoarding again with already close to 400 radios and my TG stash that used to be maxed at about 130k TGs is getting "full" again after being depleted down to 40k TGs. I believe hoarding is part of "nature" for some ppl and NG is not going to change that.
  • TroublemakerTroublemaker Member Posts: 1,469
    10x Radio Hero Calls are what we have right now.

    Yes, they are a scam, and yes they suck, but still it is the best way to get specific hero tokens.

    Just hoard until a specific Hero Call shows up and burn it all. Repeat.
  • AmigaAmiga Member Posts: 3,770
    I'm making call ever x15 phones...
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  • ATLAS-ZATLAS-Z Member Posts: 5,304
    Yeah I had 1200 radios, now I have 1 radio Lol...

    Time to start my hoarding again. And it starts with 1.

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  • CRUSHCRUSH Member Posts: 583
    edited February 2017
    I've got a federal reserve of 200 radios. Every 45 radios I do three 15 calls. It guaranteed me a minimum of 32 hero token until now.

    Btw I'm hoarding supplies again. I'm at 8.5 million now. No later than March supplies will be a problem again.
  • TransmuteJunTransmuteJun Member Posts: 2,171
    DoTak said:

    It's okay. No need to brood in silence

    After all, the forum is like a support group

    Thanks, I appreciate the sentiment. I just don't want to be a 'perpetual complainer', and lately it feels like every time I post it's a downer. I'd like to get back to a place where my attitude with the game is more balanced. But yeah, I know you guys are here, And who else understands my issues with the game better than the people on this forum?
  • ATLAS-ZATLAS-Z Member Posts: 5,304
    That's what I'm holding out for @Shteevie ... Hoping that challenge rework provides the needed inspiration. I'm optimistic.

    But it's been sooooooo long waiting...

    I keep checking every day for some word on a release date. Soon soon soon...

    But let me give some insight on radio hoarding from my perspective.

    When you reach epic max level in this game, the amounts you need in tokens to make any kind of impact on your game is sooooo huge that 99% of the calls you make have such a minute impact on your game as to be insignificant. The average pull on a 15 call is 32 random tokens. A drop in a very large bucket when you need thousands of tokens.

    That by itself isn't a big issue to me, because at this point you should have a large variety of very strong survivors and heroes. But the idea of an event where were could make our radios stretch a bit further is obviously very attractive at this level. But more than that, when we save our radios and then spend a bunch at once, we can actually see some real impact on our games.

    I guess that is really the point of my message.

    Spending 15 at a time has no visible impact to high end players, BUT spending 500 at once you can actually see some real benefit. You can see it. Actual upgrade. The visual gratification we get is the difference.

    And if there's an event, that gets us even a few more calls even better.

    I don't know if I'm making my point or not with all this rambling...

    Here it is:
    Saving for an event makes us happy and motivates play. Spending a bunch of radios at once gives us visual satisfaction of our survivors growing. One 15 call every few days fails to do this.

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  • paintbeastpaintbeast Member Posts: 1,188
    @TransmuteJun I'm in complete agreement about the decrease in tg for the challenge revamp. Terrible, terrible idea. Next Games already significantly decreased the amount of tg we get from them when they added guild rewards (I think that's right. Isn't that when it happened?). It feels like just another attempt to force us to play outposts. For f**ks sake, NG, let us play however we want to. So what if some players don't play certain parts of this game. Let us pick and choose how we play without having to sacrifice a means of gaining a particular resource.
    Speaking of outposts, since NG changed them the way they did, it has become more desirable in most cases to have completely unupgraded walkers. It'd be really cool of NG to reset every player's walkers and give back all the tg they spent. Then, players could decide how best to use all those tg. I hate that I spent so much of a valuable, dwindling resource only to make things better for raiders and worse for me.
    Ok, rant over.
  • DodkongDodkong Member Posts: 1,048
    I'm holding 1000 phones and I spend when I hit 15 extra. I prefer to have a stockpile in case something changes. I simply don't trust that there won't be some sort of surprise event for some reason or another.

    Even when there is a minor motivation to spend a handful of radios on a Hero that is close to a trait upgrade or promotion, I'll do so with the 10 calls and then save till my radio stock is back to 1k.

    I don't care if my survivors development is slowed. My only competition in this game is time. And my rather large pool of patience.
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  • Marcus6253Marcus6253 Member Posts: 221
    I tried to do the same thing and was holding onto 500 phones only making a call when I got an extra 15. Then I got a couple of good calls and before I knew it all my phones were gone. Now I have 47. No patience or self control.
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