I have seen my gold wrestling not happen on the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd turn many times so can confirm it doesn't work 100% of the time
I have already mention something similar to this in the LLS thread..
This is a difficult discussion and unfortunate situation why it has to come to this.
They already nerf silencer, interrupt, luck, and dodge which suck for many of us who invested our builds around that in the past.
Now that we have moved beyond and past that; most of my jackets have wrestler and I hate to repeat this because I'm paranoid about more nerfs...is to please just don't nerf that because I already invested millions of xp and hours of time within the last half of the year scavengering these jackets.
NG have already sold many jackets and bundles with the wrestler trait and it will be very disappointing if they take this approach of more nerfing.
Why introduce this buff in the 1st place to only nerf it back down?
Let's say they nerf this, then like @LostOnes said tomorrow we will have players moving on to the next topic and how it's unfair for assault stun to work on any walker level so let's nerf that just like interrupt to only work when no body shots.
We should focus more about adding more to the game instead of wasting our time and efforts about taking things away from it.
Lol please remove @Terminates@bun@Stelio@Amazayn sooo OP.
I dont know if we are all playing the same game but my gold wrestler trait fails me sometimes.
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I am tired of all this discussions about nerfing traits and weapons and nerfing the LLS game mechanic that others call loophole or exploit. I think the best way is to fight it with creativity. Players are creative to use all this game mechanics and traits to max their stars until RSL 30, that's great. I love it! Don't destroy that with nerfing things, nerfing is the easiest and for me the most stupid thing to destroy the fun of the players.
@NG be more creative like with your spiked walkers now. They are amazing and that could be very interesting to fight against those spiked walkers. The spiked walkers are like a "natural wrestler trait Killer" ! Integrate those walkers in the challenge to fight against LLS and wrestler, that is creative and could be fun. At least also we players have to be creative again to find new solutions against them.
For me this way is much more interesting and fun than the stupidity of nerfing our things. just give us more of those new things and Integrate it into the challenge and i would say well done NG!
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Up to rsl +3 this game needs very little strategy, its point and shoot. Above this level you need to use your brains, and devise strategies based on map layout and walker type. To devise strategies, you need traits and tactics. I remember when we had the old deadly maps we would always take a low level sacrificial player to save your best survivors if it all went pear shaped. We used to open crates with 1 AP remaining so our survivor had overwatch next turn. We used to have 100% interrupt, which allowed melee to kite higher level walkers around the map. Slowly these strategies have been removed, why? To level the playing field? I dont know, but the the game is poorer without these options.
I am at a loss as to why people are baying for even more nerfs, if the game we love becomes devoid of strategy, it will become devoid of interest.
I hope this is not a personal vendetta against two young men who have put their heart and souls into pushing the boundaries of what is possible in this game.
In the past I have admired the likes of ip4, nightmare, cateye spartan and terminates who have all raised the bar. Amazayn and Sekushi are now following in their footsteps, and should be respected for their dedication, not castigated.
Can we please just get on with playing and enjoying the game, and leave the rest to NG to manage.
Maybe issue is related to should wrestle result in killing a level 30 walker ? Or perhaps may be better to allow you to escape their grasp and maybe do and amount of damage to them maybe say 50% of their hp. And the chance to run away then ?
All this love for spiked walkers? Don't we already have enough millstones around the necks of our melee toons with dodge/interrupt nerf, bruiser nerf, concussion nerf, warrior charge weakness, tanks and burners? Lol, you folks.
So on topic then, +1 to we don't need more nerfs unless the goal is a game of flavorless grey soup where no choice matters.
The trait is fine......using it on a Level 6 Survivor to insta-kill a L25+ Walker is the problem. There's a curve where I struggle to get 1 star and move on (admittedly my gear is trash). This curve is going to be different for everyone, however one thing should remain the same - "hospital time"....the price that's paid in time or gold to keep going.
That price is eliminated when you just stack LLS / Wrestler and go. THAT's the problem. It isn't about the traits. It isn't about the strategy.
it's about the avoidance of Risk vs Reward.
Level Cap the Wrestler Trait to +10 of the Survivor's Level. That way if someone wants to take L20 Survivors and max out against L30 Walkers using Wrestling Trait tactics - nobody is stopping you from doing it. Doing this also doesn't affect the 99% (me) who don't give a rat's ass about the Leaderboards. Because it's not the strategy that's the problem. It's the avoidance of time/gold (the risk factor) that makes it a seriously unbalanced aspect of the game.
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i should add.. im not sure ive ever not had my silver wrestler trait not activate either and kill the walker.. although sometimes does take 1 turn. just not sure any trait should allow you to kill walkers with 10,000 + hp ... just allowing you to escape their grasp and run would still make wrestler so much more useful than it was before the change. conversely i dont think bullet proof is (after those lovely freeman last week) is as effective a trait as it could be.. but id be amazed if @Shteevie and team havent already got all this in their minds and future plans for balancing. and whatever is mentioned here wont convince them either way
Like I said on my other post, remove the LLS but even if lets say i am going to try & use 3 LLS with wrestler traits in this armored compound "kill all walkers" in rsl 28, would that be helpful to me or to you? Nope. Like what @bun said: we strategize.
Last time I checked my challenge 2.4 update, you cannot move on to next RSL if you cant manage to get at least one star in each stage? What about SWAT 3 LLS? BBQ? Etc. Oh cmon y'all.
Full disclosure i spent 17000 gold last challenge trying to compete with the top people and still got my ass kicked... with 9/10/11 survivor its 15 gold per attempt and since i have no skill i fail many times. However i enjoy trying to compete with the big dogs its what fun there is left in this game. Take away wrestling and LLS and the tops will strategize another way because of there dedication. Me though it would be time to walk away as each nerf slowly drains the fun out of the game.
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Based on all the endless whining you would think that the LLS and wrestle strategy only worked for certain players. News flash folks, it will work for every player, even the whiners. How can something that works equally as well for every single player be unfair or offer an advantage to a select few? Just because a player chooses not to use a particular technique or doesn't have the survivors, gear, skill or determination to play a particular way, why gripe and moan about the players that do?
NG continues to tweak the game over and over but one thing that hasn't changed after all their nurfs and buffs... the true elite players and the elite guilds are still the elite players and the elite guilds. Like someone said earlier, go ahead and remove the wrestle trait altogether, it won't matter. It didn't matter when luck, dodge and interrupt were nurfed. The greatest players will just find other ways to overcome and still outscore the rest of us in every challenge.
99,9% of us need to just accept the fact that we are not, and will never be, @Terminates or @Amazayn or @Sekushi or the small handful of truly elite players. There's nothing wrong with that, it's just the fact. Play the game and quit your whining. It's really getting tiresome.
I just want to put In a word for my boy @Nicolas , true gentleman and a pioneer in his own right. He deserves a mention with some of the other greats in this thread
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Just out of curiosity, which guild do you play/played for?
My point was that for lvl 58 its not free to use strategy... i am in dtp, however i am my own person. My statements here should in no way reflect on dtp. Where is stu?
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I have already mention something similar to this in the LLS thread..
This is a difficult discussion and unfortunate situation why it has to come to this.
They already nerf silencer, interrupt, luck, and dodge which suck for many of us who invested our builds around that in the past.
Now that we have moved beyond and past that; most of my jackets have wrestler and I hate to repeat this because I'm paranoid about more nerfs...is to please just don't nerf that because I already invested millions of xp and hours of time within the last half of the year scavengering these jackets.
NG have already sold many jackets and bundles with the wrestler trait and it will be very disappointing if they take this approach of more nerfing.
Why introduce this buff in the 1st place to only nerf it back down?
Let's say they nerf this, then like @LostOnes said tomorrow we will have players moving on to the next topic and how it's unfair for assault stun to work on any walker level so let's nerf that just like interrupt to only work when no body shots.
We should focus more about adding more to the game instead of wasting our time and efforts about taking things away from it.
I dont know if we are all playing the same game but my gold wrestler trait fails me sometimes.
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@NG be more creative like with your spiked walkers now. They are amazing and that could be very interesting to fight against those spiked walkers. The spiked walkers are like a "natural wrestler trait Killer" ! Integrate those walkers in the challenge to fight against LLS and wrestler, that is creative and could be fun. At least also we players have to be creative again to find new solutions against them.
For me this way is much more interesting and fun than the stupidity of nerfing our things. just give us more of those new things and Integrate it into the challenge and i would say well done NG!
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I am at a loss as to why people are baying for even more nerfs, if the game we love becomes devoid of strategy, it will become devoid of interest.
I hope this is not a personal vendetta against two young men who have put their heart and souls into pushing the boundaries of what is possible in this game.
In the past I have admired the likes of ip4, nightmare, cateye spartan and terminates who have all raised the bar. Amazayn and Sekushi are now following in their footsteps, and should be respected for their dedication, not castigated.
Can we please just get on with playing and enjoying the game, and leave the rest to NG to manage.
Bunneh
So on topic then, +1 to we don't need more nerfs unless the goal is a game of flavorless grey soup where no choice matters.
That price is eliminated when you just stack LLS / Wrestler and go. THAT's the problem. It isn't about the traits. It isn't about the strategy.
it's about the avoidance of Risk vs Reward.
Level Cap the Wrestler Trait to +10 of the Survivor's Level. That way if someone wants to take L20 Survivors and max out against L30 Walkers using Wrestling Trait tactics - nobody is stopping you from doing it. Doing this also doesn't affect the 99% (me) who don't give a rat's ass about the Leaderboards. Because it's not the strategy that's the problem. It's the avoidance of time/gold (the risk factor) that makes it a seriously unbalanced aspect of the game.
"Individually, we are but drops of water in the ocean. But together, we are the ocean!"
And we still have real problems. Where the hell is Stu?
Last time I checked my challenge 2.4 update, you cannot move on to next RSL if you cant manage to get at least one star in each stage? What about SWAT 3 LLS? BBQ? Etc. Oh cmon y'all.
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NG continues to tweak the game over and over but one thing that hasn't changed after all their nurfs and buffs... the true elite players and the elite guilds are still the elite players and the elite guilds. Like someone said earlier, go ahead and remove the wrestle trait altogether, it won't matter. It didn't matter when luck, dodge and interrupt were nurfed. The greatest players will just find other ways to overcome and still outscore the rest of us in every challenge.
99,9% of us need to just accept the fact that we are not, and will never be, @Terminates or @Amazayn or @Sekushi or the small handful of truly elite players. There's nothing wrong with that, it's just the fact. Play the game and quit your whining. It's really getting tiresome.
You can never always be the best player, even if you think you are.
The player that I watched the most the last challenge, that was conveniently excluded from your so called elite player list is @Stelio
A true winner doesn't need to brag about themselves, the people will see it for themselves.
So true ...
He just use it beside to get his stars. Clever, or isn't it?
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today's topic is wrestler trait.
tomorrow's topic is Stu?!
> Oh my god.... some people really need to get over themselves. There will always be a better player than you.
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Oh the irony. lol.
Nm carry on
> Full disclosure i spent 17000 gold last challenge trying to compete with the top people and still got my ass kicked... with 9/10/11 survivor its 15 gold per attempt and since i have no skill i fail many times. However i enjoy trying to compete with the big dogs its what fun there is left in this game. Take away wrestling and LLS and the tops will strategize another way because of there dedication. Me though it would be time to walk away as each nerf slowly drains the fun out of the game.
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Just out of curiosity, which guild do you play/played for?
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