Martin or James? Decisions!

GarretGarret Member Posts: 135
Well, I finally found my unicorn, 2 f them.
I am looking for an all around hunter and now I don t know who to upgrade, they are both great in my eyes. could you plese help me?
ps I ll keep them both, but the token economy system is to harsh to upgrade both of them!


  • splaggsplagg Member Posts: 93
    James > Martin (Marksman > Iron Skin) IMO
  • axl144axl144 Member Posts: 61
    I vote for James :)
    How did you get so many tokens?
  • tabernactabernac Member Posts: 807
    James due to Marksman.
  • GarretGarret Member Posts: 135
    thnax guys!
    @axl144 patience and grinding.
    unfortunately lots of.
  • DoTakDoTak Member Posts: 1,964
    I concur, both great. Spend them tokies!
  • GarretGarret Member Posts: 135
    james started as rare, martin as epic, I think a got the jackpot!
    but, I had at least 3 other tries when something not desirable happened (ds, vigilant).

    the same is true for the other classes.

    how do you rate my scout?
    should I wait or make him pinkie?
    I think that iron skin vs vigilant is better but I am not sure if it is viable to wait to achieve 5/5 ideal traits for an all arounder
    the same goes for my bruiser, I am hesitating to further upgrading him )i would like iron skin instead of powerstrike)/
  • GarretGarret Member Posts: 135
    melee classes are far more difficult, 4 desirable traits (dodge, b. dodge, luck , retaliate)
  • FenixoFenixo Member Posts: 141
    Well I think that depends when we talk about melee. I wouldn't use a trait spot for vigilant - Iron skin or Strong is both better choices. About the bruiser, again, you have to think how you use him. I use bruisers for taking dmg, so iron skin is a must for me :) I would even suggest having one bruiser built up for outpost and one for walkers.
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  • timstims Member Posts: 7
    James, Easily
  • GarretGarret Member Posts: 135
    tell me your opinion for the bruiser and the scout please!
    should I wait for a better all arounder or thse ones will serve?
  • tabernactabernac Member Posts: 807
    Both your Bruiser and Scout are totally serviceable. Are they perfect? No, but they've got some nice traits. I wouldn't have any problem upgrading/putting them to work. You can wait forever for totally perfect traits.
  • DoTakDoTak Member Posts: 1,964
    Agree. You can do a lot worse, these guys are fine. I would give that scout an interrupt weapon to make use of vigilant

    I'm not normally a fan of power strike, but the bruiser can stun someone and next turn he doesn't have to move to use power strike
  • T_12T_12 Member Posts: 728
    They're both awesome!
    The only way to survive a mad world is to embrace the madness.
  • XenathewarriorXenathewarrior Member Posts: 321
    I go for James because of Sure Shot & Marksman.
  • GarretGarret Member Posts: 135
    after all this period, I couldnt decide for the bruiser class. I kept barry (sse above) without further upgrading his stars in hope that I could find a replacement. I spent a lot of tokens in failed attempts in what I consider optimal. The introduction of punish made me think that a bruiser with dodge, bullet dodge, retaliate, punish, lucky could be a good all arounder. I know that bullet dodge is not a good trait but still I prefer it for my main character for each class.
    Enter robbie (ps i took him from a 1 phone call as an uncommon).

    Instead of luck he has iron skin. Post 2.8 lucky maybe is not so desiarable. Bruisers rely mostly in concussion (gold one is the way to go) so this is the trait that lucky is most beneficial. the rest have either a very low % to make lucky useful (dodge), or have a cap (gold for sure stun resistance, post 2.8) that will make it useless. So, what is your opinion? should i make him my champion for this class or should i wait? the main use for him will be crowd control, so extra badges of stun resistance are self explanatory. punish and retaliate dont work well, for now, i hope this will change in near future.
  • GarretGarret Member Posts: 135
  • KaLiKaLi Member Posts: 426
    edited October 2017
    Scrap that bruiser @Garret

    Instead of the two dodges you needed either

    Powerstrike, lucky, and strong


    Defensive stance
  • GarretGarret Member Posts: 135
    no defensive stance xaxa? thank you for your answer, could you tell me the ideal traits for you? and whats wrong with this one?
  • KaLiKaLi Member Posts: 426
    edited October 2017
    @Garret dodges are useless and wasted traits on RSL +5 your level (without considering pink stars)

    The ideal traits would be like my Law bruiser survivor below:

    The 4 must have should be Retaliate, luck, iron skin, and punisher

    While the 5th trait could have optional if powerstrike, strong, and defensive stance

    Good luck!
  • GarretGarret Member Posts: 135
    i am trying hard to understand the point of luck beside concussion, any idea?
  • JadenJaden Member Posts: 3,067
    Personally, I don't need my bruisers to have any traits that increase their damage. Though with the addition of badges, you might make a bruiser a damage-dealer. I still want them to mainly stun. And that, too, is unreliable at RSL+5 due to bodyshots.

    The bruiser I am looking for has punish, retaliate, iron skin and then I will take any combination of luck, dodge, defensive stance... Powerstrike if I was looking for someone to deal damage.

    I don't think that your bruiser is that bad besides of bullet dodge. I would at least keep him around (and having many survivors doesn't hurt these days...).
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  • jimmorrison369jimmorrison369 Member Posts: 2,062
    edited October 2017
    Garret said:

    i am trying hard to understand the point of luck beside concussion, any idea?

    Also wrestler, and critical chance (When charge attack also useful at high level).

    What I am wondering, and I've mentioned this before, how can you say dodge is useless RSL+5...
    Dodge Is very useful, especially at RSL+5. It is a 33% damage reduction!

    Let me break it down.
    RSL+5 has a guaranteed critical on your survivor doing 150% damage.
    Dodge will negate that and make it non-critical 100% damage.
    Then if you have iron skin 30%, you'll be left with 47% (70/150) of the damage you would've got without Dodge and Iron skin.

    The only reason why iron skin is better, is because it is always 30%, while dodge only has the 33% reduction by chance.
    But if you add them together it can net you over 50% damage reduction!
    This is the main reason why, in the distance, I'm not going into insta strugle with lvl 35 walkers.
    It's all thanks to the dodge. (in combination with badges, iron skin etc, but could not be achieved without dodge).

  • GarretGarret Member Posts: 135
    @jimmorrison369 thanks! About luck and wrestler, well you know what happens in 2.8 unfortunately. C. Chance is something I don't care for my bruiser, the sole purpose of is crowd control, the others will do the messy job!
    Considering dodge you are right, couldn't agree more.
    So, for this Survivor I lose luck for concussion and dodge. The question is, after the new update, lucky is still considered a must have trait for a bruiser, considering that I always will equip him with gold stun resistance? For weapon either the epic Morgan's staff that was offered either a simple weapon with gold concussion and silver luck. I don't mind equipping him with the lower level than intended as long they have the traits l want. Either way I don't need him to inflict damage with a higher level weapon if it doesn't have the the desirable traits.
  • jimmorrison369jimmorrison369 Member Posts: 2,062
    Garret said:

    The question is, after the new update, lucky is still considered a must have trait for a bruiser, considering that I always will equip him with gold stun resistance?

    Well not for golden stun resistance. But you could put silver stun resistance and use the golden spot for something else.
  • OneLessTitanOneLessTitan Member Posts: 1,273
    @Garret - For your Hunters, either is fine. Many people like Marksman, I'm slightly in favor of Iron Skin, but not really a big difference.

    I'd probably not invest Tokens in your Scout (Lewis). I tend to prefer a totally offensive minded Scout (Strong/Ruthless/Retaliate/Power Strike), or an overwatch specialist with DEF Stance/Iron Skin (with retaliate, dodge, power/strike/vigilant) and some of those other traits.

    I like Robbie over your 6 star Bruiser since he has Punish and I think that's a pretty cool trait. Very hard to find an "ideal" bruiser since they have one more trait than the other classes.
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