@Teeceezy Will there be a post explaining how everything works?
I would also argue that LOL's should factor into the equation... If agrees, likes and awesomes count regardless of whether a post is off-topic, then why not also reward those who make their point using humor.
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@Bill_ZRT There will! I was thinking about waiting for the flairs to become visible in threads, but I have no ETA on that so I might drop the info bomb before that.
As for the LOL's, unfortunately I think the 0 points is hard-coded in our forum software but I'll see what I can do.
@Teeceezy - Thanks for the update, looking forward to your post!
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I lied. LOL's also can give points. If we do add it, I don't know if historical LOL's are added. We might also need to tweak the Rank points as well in order to adjust for point inflation.
Also, it doesn't seem like the Ranks can be visible in threads. Going to continue looking in to it though!
@Teeceezy - can you explain what you mean by "point inflation" a bit more?
I'd argue in favor of not raising the status benchmarks if just adding points to LOL, as it appears to already be well-balanced. Just us funny people are losing a bit of street cred.
Now, if the ability to multi-react to a single post is also implemented, I think that would warrant a review of point status tiers, but, since one post can only get one reaction, adding pints for LOLs *AND* raising the tier requirements may negate each other and we'd just be better off (and less work for you) to keep LOLs at 0-points.
So what I mean is that the current points system makes sense and seems pretty ... balanced, when it takes into account Awesome's and Like's. If LOL's are added, that means that there'll be more points to a forum profile which in turn means (at least to my mind) that the points you need for each rank need to be adjusted. @Gindy
So what I mean is that the current points system makes sense and seems pretty ... balanced, when it takes into account Awesome's and Like's. If LOL's are added, that means that there'll be more points to a forum profile which in turn means (at least to my mind) that the points you need for each rank need to be adjusted. @Gindy
Any thoughts on that?
More importantly it means that I'm going to have to start making my points in non sarcastic, non witty ways if I want points for them. Points be damned, my sarcasm is un-nerfable!
Everyone’s got two wolves inside them. One is anger, envy, pride. The other…truth, kindness. Every day they tear each other apart. But it’s not the better wolf that wins. It’s the one you feed.
I agree with @Gindy I expect more lol than like or awesome, and nobody ever agrees. Since we can only choose 1, equal credit should be given for lol.
However, if adding more possible credits, it would make sense to adjust for the increased points to everyone. The other option is to do classes based on points. Like class, agree class, lol class. This would be a huge pain in the ass, and would cause people to be upset about not getting the class they wanted. With the many possibilities we then face point dilution which just pisses everyone off. I think an adjustment makes sense. Just give my lol points!
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@Teeceezy -- I can meet in the middle with a "slight" adjustment, but if the adjustment is more than (say) 40% then I think to keep everything as-is since it just adds dilution. Last thing anyone wants is to see those who "aren't funny" see a loss in status and be upset and those who "are funny" get points only to be just as far from the next mark as they were before.
A suggestion/question I will toss back: can "partial points" be earned? Maybe LOLs get 0.5 points and then benchmarks can remain unchanged? Or LOLs stay out and, coming from @Guapo's camp, we have our own special "funny guy" rank that Likes and Awesomeness can't attain?
I've said it before--Lol's are their own reward. I'm fine with being a shadow hero. If someone needs colored text on my profile page to appreciate me, they are obviously not getting it anyway.
But the real lol here is TCZ displaying the hard-coded NG thought process behind nerfing. Well, to be fair, we probably should give you something. But the only obvious option, if we do, is to devalue everything so we can say we gave you something without giving you something in reality.
No offense, obviously this is not a real thing. And I can certainly see your side of the issue. But I wanted to share the smile you brought to my face.
Also just to clarify, I don't mind having LOLs give points. I just have this idea of co-creating this and want to hear the thoughts of you guys above all else.
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In a way, all of us has an El Guapo to face. For some, shyness might be their El Guapo. For others, a lack of education might be their El Guapo. For us, El Guapo is a big, dangerous man who wants to kill us.
So what I mean is that the current points system makes sense and seems pretty ... balanced, when it takes into account Awesome's and Like's. If LOL's are added, that means that there'll be more points to a forum profile which in turn means (at least to my mind) that the points you need for each rank need to be adjusted. @Gindy
Any thoughts on that?
Was this the original non-penis related question? I honestly don't think points for LOLs is going to 'artificially inflate' anyone's scores. Even if it did (and I still say it won't), what's the worst that will happen, @capibara changes from legendary to pinky (eerrr, I mean Superior). I don't see any harm in that... I think most people tend to fall in one category or another (LOL, Agree, Like, etc) and just don't think it's an issue. If you feel otherwise, then I like Gindy's suggestion of an LOL providing 0.5 points instead of a full point.
Also, this is a dog not a penis:
Everyone’s got two wolves inside them. One is anger, envy, pride. The other…truth, kindness. Every day they tear each other apart. But it’s not the better wolf that wins. It’s the one you feed.
In LOL we trust. I don't want to awesome every post to be not "unfair" with friends...
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Everyone’s got two wolves inside them. One is anger, envy, pride. The other…truth, kindness. Every day they tear each other apart. But it’s not the better wolf that wins. It’s the one you feed.
When you're right, you're right. I really can't argue here.
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Hmmm. How complex do you want to be? Penis. Perhaps we could be different classes. Like lol could be scouts, awesome could be shooters, disagree could be bruisers (since they are least Penis loved), like could be hunters, etc. We could penis farm individual reactions to build our penis teams...
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My penis team doesn't need to be rebuilt... it's an army of one and doing just fine!
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@Bill_ZRT did you just post a heart-shaped penis to @Gindy ?
Anyway, seems like we all want lols to give points. I don't care about the scale getting "nerfed" to make up for the incoming points from past lols. It's not like we've had our rankings for a long time and have gotten used to them. (I only found out today that I am "pink," but can't see if there's a number of pink stars on the rank.)
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I would also argue that LOL's should factor into the equation... If agrees, likes and awesomes count regardless of whether a post is off-topic, then why not also reward those who make their point using humor.
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As for the LOL's, unfortunately I think the 0 points is hard-coded in our forum software but I'll see what I can do.
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Also, it doesn't seem like the Ranks can be visible in threads.
I'd argue in favor of not raising the status benchmarks if just adding points to LOL, as it appears to already be well-balanced. Just us funny people are losing a bit of street cred.
Now, if the ability to multi-react to a single post is also implemented, I think that would warrant a review of point status tiers, but, since one post can only get one reaction, adding pints for LOLs *AND* raising the tier requirements may negate each other and we'd just be better off (and less work for you) to keep LOLs at 0-points.
No?
Any thoughts on that?
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However, if adding more possible credits, it would make sense to adjust for the increased points to everyone. The other option is to do classes based on points. Like class, agree class, lol class. This would be a huge pain in the ass, and would cause people to be upset about not getting the class they wanted. With the many possibilities we then face point dilution which just pisses everyone off. I think an adjustment makes sense. Just give my lol points!
@Teeceezy -- I can meet in the middle with a "slight" adjustment, but if the adjustment is more than (say) 40% then I think to keep everything as-is since it just adds dilution. Last thing anyone wants is to see those who "aren't funny" see a loss in status and be upset and those who "are funny" get points only to be just as far from the next mark as they were before.
A suggestion/question I will toss back: can "partial points" be earned? Maybe LOLs get 0.5 points and then benchmarks can remain unchanged? Or LOLs stay out and, coming from @Guapo's camp, we have our own special "funny guy" rank that Likes and Awesomeness can't attain?
But the real lol here is TCZ displaying the hard-coded NG thought process behind nerfing. Well, to be fair, we probably should give you something. But the only obvious option, if we do, is to devalue everything so we can say we gave you something without giving you something in reality.
No offense, obviously this is not a real thing. And I can certainly see your side of the issue. But I wanted to share the smile you brought to my face.
In seriousness, why do something half-arsed and then having to keep coming back to it for re-iterations.
Bad to the bone!
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"I'm stuck in forum prison, and time keeps draggin' on"
"I’ve never said I’m a perfect pig, nor pretended to be someone that I’m not."
Also, this is a dog not a penis:
But it’s not the better wolf that wins. It’s the one you feed.
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--> Do you need a guild? ...send me a Private Message. My Recruiting den and my "Art Objects" in the Next Games Collection.
But it’s not the better wolf that wins. It’s the one you feed.
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Bad to the bone!
The Notorious P.I.G.
"I'm stuck in forum prison, and time keeps draggin' on"
"I’ve never said I’m a perfect pig, nor pretended to be someone that I’m not."
--> Do you need a guild? ...send me a Private Message. My Recruiting den and my "Art Objects" in the Next Games Collection.
But it’s not the better wolf that wins. It’s the one you feed.
Contact [email protected] or send @Bill_ZRT a message to join DTP today!
Anyway, seems like we all want lols to give points. I don't care about the scale getting "nerfed" to make up for the incoming points from past lols. It's not like we've had our rankings for a long time and have gotten used to them. (I only found out today that I am "pink," but can't see if there's a number of pink stars on the rank.)
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