Changes to End-Game Stats: Discussion Thread

Teeceezy · May 2017

Changes to End-Game Stats

Have a read and let us know about any questions, comments or feedback you might have!

These changes will go live at approximately 12PM UTC.

David_H79 · May 2017

@Teeceezy sounds awesome.
I will wait with my feedback after reaching a higher RSL in the next challenge round.
But after reading the announcement the feedback should be positive.

Papacas · May 2017

Sounds good in general but i am on a "live to believe" approach on this one. Also, more walker damage? Now that was a surprise, and nit a good one, but still i will wait until i experience it.

bladgier · May 2017

Honestly I am disappointed.

I was looking forward to that change and only thing that is changed is that balance is brought to where it should be in the 1st place and walkers got buffed.

I can't see how this is solving the issiue sadly I have to admit although I was very hopeful about it.

Still no point going 21st.

Difference between 21st and 20th stats increase is still inadequate to 100 stars lost imo.

Only situation when those 100 stars dont matter is when one is planning to spend thousants of gold and has got 7-8+ pink stars (Elites)

Why cant 20 and 21 start same rsl?
Simple solution. If ever 22 would come to play, make them start 15th. Or am I missing the point here?

Making ppl choose their starting difficulty would be an amazing solution imo. That is how it was in every single game i know, online ones as well. You get to choose difficulty maybe not straight forward cause there are humans involved but things like mods, limitations to usage etc.

If any1 would get to choose their starting difficulty, 99% of players would choose lowest ones im sure.

Hopefuly I am wrong. Next challenge will tell.

gcheong85 · May 2017

NG is trying to feed the pigs(us) with the so called buffs to the survivors then he slaughters the pigs(us) with the walkers buff with the reason of 'balancing the game'. Nais!

JayZ · May 2017

It'll be interesting to see what the walker attack buffs look like, compared to the survivor buffs. I would obviously prefer no buff to walkers, but an attack buff is at least easier to stomach than a health buff because I already try to avoid getting hit at RSL24+.

Stay tuned, I'll try to do another analytical post similar to my last one when I have time.

Teeceezy · May 2017

@gcheong85 and all others worried about the walker damage buffs, please give it a try. The changes are live now.

rogue1987 · May 2017

I see the health increase which I love but not getting a damage increase. It will really suck if walkers get damage increase and we get no increase to damage. @Teeceezy

Papacas · May 2017

Teeceezy said:
@gcheong85 and all others worried about the walker damage buffs, please give it a try. The changes are live now.

I don't think i can see the difference until i go RSL24+ missions...

Riggs · May 2017

@Teeceezy sorry i am also disappointed. There us no need to let people start at different level. If everybody starts at the same level anf is willing to perform well in challenges they will upgrade. Also the ridiculous difference repeating level 19 and 20. you loose about 100 stars ! what about better rewards for higher stars? This leads to frustration. The game will go the same way like the chart of your stock

biter370 · May 2017

@Teeceezy
I noticed the increase in damage for my 24 weapons but also noticed a decrease in health of my 24 armor.
Is this correct?
Image 1377 is before the changes today and 1380 is after the changes, same armor before and after.

TransmuteJun · May 2017

Other than the damage increase to walkers, the announcement looks great. I'm hoping that the feedback from players is good, so that I can upgrade my survivors to level 21 without worrying.

I also appreciate that you did not raise the challenge starting level. Thank you!!!!!!

KhalDrogo · May 2017

@Riggs what do you mean there is no need for people to start challenges at different level?

CRUSH · May 2017

I tried a scavenge mission with the challenge team. Assault 21, one pink star, weapon 24, armour 23 killed walker 24 with one shot.
Same one got hit by a walker 27 and lost nearly complete green bar.
It feels better, but only challenge can show it.

Pig · May 2017

Although this is clearly an improvement, I'm uneasy about the walker buff level 22+. It seems it will disproportionately hinder higher level survivors.

A level 20 survivor facing a level 21 walker is still at a slight advantage compared to a level 21 survivor facing a level 22 walker. The imbalance is smaller now (presumably), but more widespread. That's because a level 19 survivor facing a level 21 walker is now at a slight advantage compared to a level 20 survivor facing a level 22 walker (and so on). Basically, to be balanced, it seems to me that (all other things being equal), a survivor at level X facing a level X+N walker should have the same chances as a survivor at level Y facing a level Y+N walker, regardless of the values of X and Y.

It's possible that a change like this is unavoidable, and this is certainly better than the level 21 handicap before. And it's also possible that higher level players getting more bonus stars for round completion (they do, don't they?) will offset, or more than offset the slight handicap. But I'm still a bit reserved about this.

Teeceezy · May 2017

> @Papacas said:
> @gcheong85 and all others worried about the walker damage buffs, please give it a try. The changes are live now.

>
> I don't think i can see the difference until i go RSL24+ missions...

You can try Hard Scavenge missions, as they have higher leveled walkers.

Papacas · May 2017

Teeceezy said:
> @Papacas said:

> @gcheong85 and all others worried about the walker damage buffs, please give it a try. The changes are live now.

>

> I don't think i can see the difference until i go RSL24+ missions...

You can try Hard Scavenge missions, as they have higher leveled walkers.

True. Thanks

Riggs · May 2017

@KhalDrogo in my opinion the so called "endgamers" should have the same starting levels. Why do we have this discussion. Only because ng sets wrong incentives. The guild leaderboards are messes up by starting at 14 and repeating three times level 19. at least level 21 should have the same repeating levels as level 20 players.
But to be honest i am tired of this discussion nothing will change everything has focus on making more money and squezzing out the players

David_H79 · May 2017

This discussion leads to starting RSL 3.
Because after Level 21, the Level 20 players complain.
Then the Level 19 players complain.
Then the Level 18 players complain.
........

You see where it ends?

Mystique · May 2017

I'm going to be a voice of optimism for a minute!

At the expense of being hated lol

I was finally able to make it to a level that I was previously never able to make it to last challenge, after upgrading my survivors to level 21... It was a tad bit costly at the end.. So I'm looking forward to it being a little cheaper with these changes!

Although, I do wish there had been some sort of adjustment to starting level as the incentive to level up for many bada** players still appears to be lacking!

NCDawgFan · May 2017

The level 30 walkers are now 7040 health and the level 31 walkers are now a whopping 8371, or almost 19% higher.

Movado · May 2017

And lvl 32 was 9,638, lvl 33 was 11,411. Less than +19%. But it doesn't matter as much up there because getting tagged was instant struggle anyways. There wasn't further changes on walker hp today, right?...or wrong?

prescopj · May 2017

So we have received the balance on lvl 21 survivors & lvl 24 gear we were robbed of at last - great! But NG had to go & blow it again by adding a Buff to walkers to negate what we should have had in the first place; firmly re-establishing themselves in the player piss-take category, seriously, what a laughing stock you continue to make yourselves in the eyes of the playing public who pay your wages. What a joke!

Warlord · May 2017

If NG has finally realized linear progression of stats is the way to go and the walker buffs of 21-25 are just adjustments to bring everything in line for now and in the future so they can stop spending labor on tweaks and instead spend it on improving the game; kudos to NG.

However, as the information is very limited ATM, I think it is wise, as others have pointed out, to see how it goes for the next week. Just a quick check of my scavenge team shows an average of 57.3 points increase in damage while the 24 walkers went up 11. Not really that big of a deal but the challenge will be the true test.

Due to the lack of transparency, lack of details in announcements, and just about every change lately (IMO) has the perception of emphasizing something they are making better for players while quietly changing a couple of others to hinder us; we just need to be patient and see what happens over the next 2-3 weeks; especially with the update announcement that hopefully has some REAL DETAILS in it (@Teeceezy - hint, hint). After all, NG should remember it only takes a couple of seconds of holding on an icon to purge this game from our devices.

Thank you @JayZ for all your analysis work and to everyone else who spoke up about level 21 for the thousands that were upset about it.

JayZ · May 2017

Guys, before we raise our pitchforks about the walker damage buffs, we should wait and see what the actual percentages are.

In the past, walker damage only increased 16% every level (see my very long analysis thread from a couple of months ago). If our gear is increasing at 19% every level now (presumably, still need to verify), it would not be unreasonable for walker attack damage to increase at a comparable rate.

Let's wait and see what the numbers show first...

RickGrames · May 2017

@Teeceezy please have a look at Rick: his damage is 3089... more than lvl 25 zombie's health.... also.... shooter damage has been increased of 50%.... you think.... one single shot will be more than enough to kill such zombies...... ......ehm.... ....no.... no at all.... ....look the second picture......

what's wrong??? please explain

RickGrames · May 2017

any comment is welcome.

gespuer · May 2017

body shot? instead of critical shot? maybe?

David_H79 · May 2017

A level 21 epic made a bodyshot against a level 25 walker.
A bodyshot makes 50% less damage.
So Ricks damage is 3000 + 1500 shooter boost /2 . That is something around 2700.
And that is not enough to kill the walker.

RickGrames · May 2017

@gespuer , @David_H79 : thank you guys for the explanation.

So Rick damage is 3089 + 1545 = 4633 ... ...then 4633/2 = 2316 as total damage
2965-2316= 649 remaining health of zombie lvl 25. but number seems to be not correct since it shown 336 and not 649 based on previous assumptions.

David_H79 · May 2017

@RickGrames there is always a certain range in the damage.
Your Rick shows 3089 damage but that means not that every normal hit makes exactly 3089 damage.
Sometimes you make 2867 or 3125. (the numbers I have chosen are totally random)

Hope this helps.

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