The Gas Issue

As we all have experienced, the most difficult thing to deal with in this game is the shortage of gas, the limited ways to recover more gas, and the length of time required to produce it. I've decided to compile my thoughts into one post, and hopefully have some others weigh in, so that some positive changes could take place.

1. Gas Supply:
As the top end (currently) of supplies is currently 17, the amount of missions you are able to complete is very limited. Supply/Deadly runs that cost 5 gas, and take 2 minutes to play end quickly, and top end weekly missions that cost 10+ gas only allow you one mission until you wait again. Obviously a bigger base supply is required, so that more can be done, and not just another 2 gas upgrade (like 15-17), but we should close in on 25-30.

2. Gas Rewards:
Right now we have a limited amount of rewards that provide gas, which is truly one of the best rewards we can receive. This of course could be given a greater percentage to occur. However my idea for recovery is a little different. I would like to see a straight recovery of resources recovered (50-100% of spent gas for the mission) for completing the mission perfectly. This could be simply, get 3 stars, get 50% of gas recovered, or other goals could be added to the mission prior to team selection. Personal favourite would be complete the mission in under a certain amount of moves, or without being touched. But these could all be developed similar to daily quests. This certainly would allow us to stay in the game longer.

3. Gas for Ads:
This has been mentioned before in posts, so I won't dwell on it, but allowing us to watch ads only for gas rewards is certainly worth it for everyone and really helps to shore up the delta between F2P and P2P players.

4. Gas Production Time:
Currently as we sit, the amount of time it takes to produce 1 gas, is 10 minutes. So the time required to create enough gas for one supply run is 50 minutes, for a top end weekly missions 1 hour 40 minutes, and a full max (current) tank takes 2 hours and 50 minutes. This is too long of a time between empty and full, and I would think the developers would like us checking in more often. Even increasing the speed by 30%, or capping max recovery time to 2 hours, would certainly have us in game more often per day and increase the captivation with the game.

Thank you for your time, and hopefully some good comes out of it. I look forward to other ideas.

Kryptonix
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ps. I'll post the first TL:DR
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Comments

  • Dary1Dary1 Member Posts: 16
    A very eye catching post @kryptonix, hopefully they take your thread seriously, as I know a lot of people would like this issue addressed.

    I'd be happy with just abit more gas :)

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  • LightBringerLightBringer Member Posts: 33
    Yeh! we want more gas :rage:

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  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0
    edited December 2015
    @TK-421 you might want to take a look at this... Thank you! :smile:
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  • WhySoEgarWhySoEgar Member Posts: 174
    edited December 2015
    I agree with you that the gas is limited. An it does take a while to do late runs for stars.

    That said you now have to look at how many people have maxed out. That have nothing else to do but farm stars each week. So yes now the gas becomes a concern because they want to play more often. But my personal experience so far gas has not become a issue yet because I've yet to max so I still have other things to do then stars. The real issue is the lack of new content. There is a reason why these challenges run a week long to give you ample opportunity to gain max am out of stars. So while you have brought up a few good ideas I'm gonna give you my feed back on each bud.

    Gas supply. Yes the current max is 17 an is more n then enough to gain 250+ stars each challenge. Each challenge runs 6 days witch breaks down to 144 hours of time. Now if you sleep for 8 hours a night that is 48 hours of sleep. So that leaves you 96 hours of time to play around work an other obligations. So that breaks down to 5,760 minutes witch gives you 576 gas for obtaining stars. So to maximize your stars simply set an alarm ever 2 hours an 50 minutes. So instead of giving us more gas maybe knocking the gas recharge time down from 10 minutes to 5 minutes. That will now double your gas with out the need to have a higher cap. That would be more then enough to do anything you need to do. This also ties into gas production time.

    Gas rewards. Not sure I really see the need of higher changes. Since everything is Rng it keeps things balance. I know it doesn't feel like it but what your asking is to find more gas. What about those of us that aren't maxed an we are hoping to find that gold ticket with 10k supplies vs 6 gas? In doing that your asking the devs to take care of those players that are waiting for end game an not all the players you have plenty of ways to get gas. Now something I have found that I don't think K alot of players notices . Due to fact I haven't seen it on the fourms is that when your out of gas and you go to do a mission and it pops up the window allowing you to recharge for gold. You will also see on the left watch for free. If you have cinema views. I found this Sunday an when I did it I got back to back gas on 2 videos. I will post some images to show exactly what I'm talking about.






    So as you see above. If you get a 33% chance I just happen to get lucky with them being in the middle. This also ties into the gas for adds


    These are my thoughts on gas an this is from the view of a player who is not maxed out yet an still prefer in those supplies and ex over gas.


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  • jureforjusticejureforjustice Member Posts: 270
    edited December 2015
    I'd just like to lower the recharge time for gas. 5 minutes per gas means players can come to play every 25 minutes instead of every 50 minutes.

    Increasing the amount of gas will still make people wait 10 minutes per single unit of gas, which solves nothing. Atm, I check every 2 hours now just to run stars and then afk for another 2 hours. By increasing gas, I'd just wait longer before coming back to play. I never have a full tank during my time awake. Even at work I'm able to squeeze in a 5 min bathroom break to finish off my gas if needed.

    NG could decrease the amount of gas needed to play, that can also work too rather than speeding up gas costs.
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  • ConnConn Member Posts: 138
    They will have to adress this in the future for sure. Since our survivors are going to become higher and higher level and we will get through higher levels of the challenge which will give us more STARS. There will be a point in the future where we can complete maybe 15-20 rounds of the challenge, which would then cause us to stop due to a shortage of gas. If they reach that point, then they will have to fix to gas situation or else this game will become pay to win. Which means a big decrease of players and im sure thats not what they want.
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  • DigitalbudDigitalbud Member Posts: 45

    I'd just like to lower the recharge time for gas. 5 minutes per gas means players can come to play every 25 minutes instead of every 50 minutes.



    Increasing the amount of gas will still make people wait 10 minutes per single unit of gas, which solves nothing. Atm, I check every 2 hours now just to run stars and then afk for another 2 hours. By increasing gas, I'd just wait longer before coming back to play. I never have a full tank during my time awake. Even at work I'm able to squeeze in a 5 min bathroom break to finish off my gas if needed.



    NG could decrease the amount of gas needed to play, that can also work too rather than speeding up gas costs.

    lol me too :).
    anyway, well said krypt. spend more time waiting than playing, need more action and less waiting.
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  • MorganMorgan Member Posts: 191
    Let's assume that you have unlimited gas, here's what will happen:
    Once the weekly challenge starts, you will max out your possible stars within one-two days.
    After that happens, you'll be back on the forums crying that there's nothing to do in the game.

    So, limiting the gas is a very reasonable thing to have.
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  • kryptonixkryptonix Member Posts: 253
    Morgan said:

    Let's assume that you have unlimited gas, here's what will happen:
    Once the weekly challenge starts, you will max out your possible stars within one-two days.
    After that happens, you'll be back on the forums crying that there's nothing to do in the game.

    So, limiting the gas is a very reasonable thing to have.

    This may be the best case against increased gas supplies, as supply runs make no sense when you are maxed out. However, with upcoming content we will have the ability to replay episodes on harder levels and perhaps this will give people the needed extra content.
  • kryptonixkryptonix Member Posts: 253
    BigOleTDs said:

    Next Games should know this. there is a fine balance between paying for gas and changing the game to not want to pay for gas. Right now the gas tanks are expensive as is and it takes a very long time to fill the tank. They either need to reduce the gold needed to fill the tank or decrease the time it takes to earn 1 gas. If they go too extreme on either case the developers lose. They'll lose $ or they'll lose customers, both of which is a hit to the bottom line.

    I agree 100% that there needs to be a balance with this that still drives people to pay and support the developer as this is the only reason new content will be created (and they deserve it). However, I do know that a vast amount of the money made on these games is through in game advertising, so making us 'pay' through watching those, while still providing people the ability to play more without paying I feel works for all, and closes the gap between F2P and P2P. Giving you the option to pay with time or pay with money.
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  • NecroboogieNecroboogie Member Posts: 1,108
    Everyone needs to settle down about the gas issue...after all 50% of the forums is about "realism" and there is a gas shortage in TWD series - so the devs are just giving you all that dose of reality you wanted. Besides real fans know there's a full gas truck is on the way, it's just being waylaid by Neegans men.


    Seriously thou devs lets stop the gas rationing or give us mini games to get more gas and pass the time between missions. Think of all the ad/game time your missing while we're playing other games and having a life when we could be earning you revenue.
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  • jureforjusticejureforjustice Member Posts: 270
    edited December 2015
    Morgan said:

    Let's assume that you have unlimited gas, here's what will happen:
    Once the weekly challenge starts, you will max out your possible stars within one-two days.
    After that happens, you'll be back on the forums crying that there's nothing to do in the game.

    So, limiting the gas is a very reasonable thing to have.

    Nobody said anything about unlimited gas =S

    At this rate, I have enough gas to play the game throughout the week strictly on challenges and then maybe have 1 day of rest from the challenges (just the weekend day where guild challenge is down), and I top at ~36 stars a mission. By that, I am spending near 100% of my gas doing challenges throughout the week when challenges open up. I have zero game time to do extra missions. If I choose to, I can, but then I'd sacrifice my gas used for challenges.

    If I miss a day of not doing the challenges, then I would fail to achieve my goal of sitting at ~36 stars a mission. There's only a small margin to do my explorations.

    TL:DR
    In other words... It's quite repetitive to just do challenge missions and not take a break from it.
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  • H34DSHOT69H34DSHOT69 Member Posts: 8
    They should just have to types of fuel... Gas for campaign and another type of fuel for guild challenges. Would this help at all?
  • SlayerSectSlayerSect Member Posts: 634
    Some good points made by all.

    I say from the start that I am addicted to the game and playing as often as I can. While there have been times, that I have been frustrated because my gas is empty and I have to wait. I don't find it to be too bad.

    There are times that I have gotten gas from a ticket/reward and am excited, but there have been times, that I have earned 5 to 8 gas but do not have enough space, so those are resources lost.

    I'd like for there to be an overflow, if they are earned, but you go over your max. Where you would get to keep the extra, you just don't earn any more until those are spent. I've seen this mentioned before.

    As a resut, I don't want the chances of finding gas to decrease my odds at gear, Tomato Cans, gold or XP. I can wait a bit of time for Gas the other stuff I have to earn by playing. (Okay Tomato Cans/XP) can be earned waiting as well.

    How about adding an Exploration for Gas mission. Where you have to spend gas to do it but you will find more. At the moment. the exploration missions automatically reload, maybe for the gas one there would be a short wait similar to Guild Challenges.

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  • hhmcameronhhmcameron Member Posts: 224
    Time gas should have the cap....

    But reward gas should either be kept or converted to XP or Food

    Probably XP Since that is what Armor or weapons are converted to
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  • hhmcameronhhmcameron Member Posts: 224
    Right now gas is the only reward you can get nothing for... (have never capped food or xp)
  • Necron99Necron99 Member Posts: 66
    When I want to play for a considerable amount of time; I'll go as slow as I can on my missions, and squeeze out every bullet & blade I can on walkers, usually up to Level 17 n 18. And level 16 on Deadly missions (in case I accidentally move my guy over to a bunch of walkers, in stead of shoot) by the time I'm done, I've wasted 20 minutes, and racked up a few extra thousand xp at the same time.
    I'm already at 20k killed walkers too!!
  • mcspazzertonmcspazzerton Member Posts: 2
    how about a new building? Maybe a fuel refinery or depot. each upgrade level reduces the wait/recharge time by 30 seconds or a minute.
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  • AmigaAmiga Member Posts: 3,770
    It's all about money... It's how dev choose the way to pull out money for gold. It is really frustrating when you can play only few minutes per hr. Personally I prefer to spend gold on production. For me refill for 54 gold is waste of gold and I'm sure most of us thinks the same.
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  • Loewe1968Loewe1968 Member Posts: 601
    Sorry for my english, I'm from Germany ;)

    I also think that gas is a problem. In principle, it is becoming increasingly difficult, the further you are in the game. In principle, one is for "punished" that you are so far. I am Episode 11 and need 6 gas for Explore. One needs as many XP because, if one so far in the game is also abundant needed for leveling the players and the better equipment.

    Would not it be an approach for each levels of gas (+2) to the time by 5 or 10 percent decrease from the nearest gas?
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  • Neil_JNeil_J Member Posts: 1,873
    My own tuppence worth:
    How about when you get bonus cans that take you over the Max level they can still be credited to your store instead of just vanishing.
    Unfortunately we can't all p2p - personally I am unable to work due to severe health reasons (Oncologist has banned me from working permanently due to meds and severity of cancer) so a small consolation like this would be appreciated because I love the game (and TWD generally).
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  • Neil_JNeil_J Member Posts: 1,873
    ↑↑↑Apologies for repeating this request, but the more requests, the more weight they might carry?
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  • Loewe1968Loewe1968 Member Posts: 601
    Sorry for my english, I'm from Germany;)

    I also think that gas is a problem. In principle, it is becoming increasingly difficult, the further you are in the game. In principle, one is for "punished" that you are so far. I am Episode 11 and need 6 gas for Explore. One needs as many XP because, if one so far in the game is also abundant needed for leveling the players and the better equipment.

    Would not it be an approach for each levels of gas (+2) to the time by 5 or 10 percent decrease from the nearest gas?
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  • Keeping gas won from tickets should be automatic, I watched the video or paid 25 gold, let me keep my reward since that's when I get the most gas is when I don't need it.
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  • LanceLance Member Posts: 568
    Yes of course temporary gas gain, should allow to go above normal gas cap, like in most online game.
    When you get a reward you should get it.

    6 fuel per mission is already too much, I play a lot less time per day now, at player 28, and survivor lv 12, than at lower level, at some point I will play only a few minute per day, and next will slowly forget and move to something else,
  • I watched the cinema 1st thing to get it out of the way and 2 ads gave me 4 gallons of gas in an already full tank. 8 gallons wasted or not kept even though I earned them.
  • TK-421TK-421 Member Posts: 416
    WeekOne said:

    @TK-421 you might want to take a look at this... Thank you! :smile:

    It has been noted! Maybe something for @Overwatcher or @OldGoth to take a look at.
  • AmigaAmiga Member Posts: 3,770
    Gas recharge is the weakness point of this game. I'm sure there is a many other ways to improve it to keep people playing.

    Examples:
    - decreasing for 30 days refueling time from 10min to 5min by buying special monthly gas bundle for gold.
    - always gas reward from cinema video AD
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  • AlibabaAlibaba Member Posts: 1,275
    NG has changed this and reduced cost of gas with gold! Closing this thread.

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