Cheaters getting caught

SavannahGuy81 · June 2019

Ok since few month , we saw that NG cut some cheater and banned for 2 weeks.. it’s annoying for those that play for years to look at the way this problem is solved.. so I think it’s time to make some suggestions ..this post is not to gives names or accusations.. it’s to make suggestions to try discourage the people to join this way of playing.. so here is my suggestion and hoping you guys give some as well..

Player caught cheating should be banned from all leaderboards permanently. same for the guild that support this.. if they want to play , then play but that way they wont be recognized as strong player or guild ..
The guild part is to avoid players names change .. and to make leaders look up to it.. when your not sure, just ask videos or team showing from the player involve.

Stay strong
SavannahGuy81 7

Billbam · June 2019

Here Here I see some very odd things on the leader board and talked about in private chat groups. Very frustrating for honest players.

SavannahGuy81 · June 2019

I’m very disappointed by the few answer I got here.. can’t beleave you guys don’t care about this

DonCoqui · June 2019

We care... at least I do. The problem may be that a lot of us don't track this (Suggestions) folder. I'm with you. I think a two week suspension is insulting. We've had players admit openly to cheating in the forum. Like it was a matter of pride. How can us mortals compete against people and guilds who cheated their way into unicorn survivors and badge sets?

Jenng · June 2019

It’s probably NOT that no one cares, this is my first time to read this, it could be that you posted under “ wikia discussion “ and now I’m thinking I need to read that category to see what else I’ve missed.

Bill_ZRT · June 2019

DonCoqui said:
We care... at least I do. The problem may be that a lot of us don't track this (Suggestions) folder. I'm with you. I think a two week suspension is insulting. We've had players admit openly to cheating in the forum. Like it was a matter of pride. How can us mortals compete against people and guilds who cheated their way into unicorn survivors and badge sets?

Totally agree - getting a week or two vacation from the game for knowingly and systematically cheating is insulting. And you're right someone earlier this week openly admitted on the forums to using an exploit for badges and radio calls while people who play legitimately play with inferior survivors, gear, and badges because they won't cheat.

Players who knowingly and systematically cheat should be banned. Period.

DonCoqui · June 2019

@SCBMA
I understand where you are coming from, but I think that kind of penalty on guildmates could be a bit harsh if it were a lone person doing the cheating. Now, if it was rampant cheating from multiple guild members then I’d be for it.

A cheater could easily hide in some of the larger guild families we have around. That said, I’ve seen first hand the management team in my guild family take swift action when a new player admitted in group chat to having used a game exploit. She lasted a day... joined the guild like on a Monday and was gone the next day. Didn’t get to score a single star for the guild in the weekly challenge. They’re good about that and it helps send the message to everyone that one-strike and you are out.

kookaburra · June 2019

Cheating should be grounds for permanent dismissal from the game! Having spent a lot of time and money with the game, it infuriates me that people use hacks and exploits.

ATLAS-Z · June 2019

I feel strongly that the amount of money you've spent on this game should be directly proportional to the amount of angst toward cheaters and their bouncing up the Leaderboard...

As low to mid range spender, I am approximately 35% pissed off.
+/- 5%.

Bill_ZRT · June 2019

ATLAS-Z said:
I feel strongly that the amount of money you've spent on this game should be directly proportional to the amount of angst toward cheaters and their bouncing up the Leaderboard...

As low to mid range spender, I am approximately 35% pissed off.

+/- 5%.

Either that or morals and fair play just mean something to us...

Founding member of the CB2P (cheap bastard to play) club, member of exactly 0 leaderboards, but still righteously pissed at cheaters.

Capleton · June 2019

The game came a long way from auto-clicking to nowadays exploits. 100 walker limit was established pretty soon to end the farming...just saying.

It was pretty akward to see pictures this week from a player openly admitting that he cheated to get perfect badges...and even telling that it is normal to use exploits.

And I agree to both ATLAS-Z and Bill_ZRT : must be even more annoying for heavy spenders...me as a no longer competitive player I'm just pissed at cheaters.

SavannahGuy81 · June 2019

Well tkx all for your opinions, maybe if we keep talking about it, NG will do something.. myself I spend more then I’m willing to admit and see those guys 3 stars 45 rsl fatty again n again to be on top leaderboard just piss me off

DonCoqui · July 2019

And another one gone, and another one gone
Another one bites the dust
Hey, I'm gonna get you, too
Another one bites the dust

Andy_b · July 2019

@SavannahGuy81 as others have mentioned, this is very hard to see and my 1st time reading anything in this section. Would be greatfull if you made this in general discussions

DonCoqui · July 2019

@Andy_b
Whoa... wish granted. Magic!

Firekid · July 2019

Hear hear, well done for starting the discussion!

Fluxxx · July 2019

I'm very strictly against cheating as well. I'm wondering whether a permanent ban would be too harsh in some cases? The 2 week suspension is usually a first warning, and further cases will result in much longer bans depending on severity. Definitely something worth discussing, I will bring it up.

Bod · July 2019

Like others have mentioned this is also my first time reading this.
I think the punishment should be more severe and maybe we can also name and shame the cheaters

DrUnpleasant · July 2019

Fluxxx said:
I'm very strictly against cheating as well. I'm wondering whether a permanent ban would be too harsh in some cases? The 2 week suspension is usually a first warning, and further cases will result in much longer bans depending on severity. Definitely something worth discussing, I will bring it up.

Yes... but, if that cheating was X months of rerolling outcomes to get perfect badges or tokens then a 2 week ban is nothing. They still come back to the game with huge advantages over players who played the game as it was intended. They don't need to cheat again - they've already got all the advantage they need.

Firekid · July 2019

Unfortunately I think retrospective punishment for using that particular exploit would be going a bit too far. NG were obviously aware of it at the time and should have done something then. Particularly as there was no communication from NG saying they couldn’t use the exploit or that any punishment would be forthcoming. Us with moral compasses knew it was wrong and before the top hundered weekly leaderboard it wasn’t really a problem. However any new exploits/cheating should be announced in game with the warning that using them will result in lifetime bans/whatever punishment NG decide.

Mario_Romero · July 2019

I am all for punishing cheaters, when it is proven someone is a cheater.

I'm don't know the internal process that happened at NG the last time bans were given, but the punishment was perceived as light by most. Is this policy? could they not make it stick when pressed? I don't know. If policy it should be looked at. If it's a legal problem and they wanted to avoid action taken against them this was probably a middle ground.

Because NG always needs to be able to prove any accusations.

Unfortunately, some people also yell "cheater" every time someone gets a higher score than them.

This hurts the reputation of these players and is most often only "proven" by the fact that said player has outscored them, because to the minds of those yelling that would only be possible with cheating.

So whilst I fully support action taken against cheaters I am also a firm believer in due process and the presumption of innocence.

I would therefore also support action taken against those players who, without any sort of proof, spread rumours and accuse others of cheating.

If we don't nip this in the bud we'll just be creating witch-hunts that are based on a presumption of guilt and the accusations will often be based on less than honourable motives.

Let's show some self-restraint because all it will do is turn the community into a toxic environment.

So when anyone has more than a subjective assumption, when they have some sort of tangible proof, make NG aware and let them deal with it.

Let the community not be judge, jury and executioner!

Firekid · July 2019

Well said @Mario_Romero

Jenng · July 2019

When they’re screaming it loud and proud from the rooftops of the forum in their own words I would say that’s more than an assumption and definitely not a dishonorable witch-hunt. I have no suggestions for proper consequences but basically confessing it in public, throwing it in the faces of those that play by the rules is extremely insulting and IMO sufficient proof to everyone that reads it and the powers that be.

Tux77 · July 2019

If you want to score BIG you need to spend BIG! Why cheat? What’s the fun it that? Score BIG spend BIG. Need 3/4 spear and at least one staff. Also going to need to buy boosters weekly and bundles now with trait tokens and reinforcement tokens. And don’t forget your gold. Going to need lots of gold. No need to cheat here. Just break out the wallet and you can be an elite player in no time.

DonCoqui · July 2019

@Mario_Romero
The way things have been going lately you don't even need to make an accusation. Some folks have admitted it on the forum... even bragged about it. Flaunting their badge sets around w/ condescending attitude. That's over now. This thread is going to send others like them underground leaving things unresolved.

Dbl_Edge_DEP · July 2019

With all due respect, I'm not sure why people care so much about the leaderboards. Bragging rights? Sense of accomplishment? Something to do? I don't know, but what is the end goal?
Cheaters are part and parcel with life, they exist to gain advantage by selfish means. I'm all for accomplishing goals, I just ask that the anger attached be justified.

DonCoqui · July 2019

Jenng said:
When they’re screaming it loud and proud from the rooftops of the forum in their own words I would say that’s more than an assumption and definitely not a dishonorable witch-hunt. I have no suggestions for proper consequences but basically confessing it in public, throwing it in the faces of those that play by the rules is extremely insulting and IMO sufficient proof to everyone that reads it and the powers that be.

You beat me to it. Well said.

Bill_ZRT · July 2019

Totally agree with several things that have been said. There is no witch hunt here... for some exploits, NG has a technical means to track who is using them. In other cases, players have openly admitted that they've cheated on the forums stating specifically what and how they did it. Most of those posts have been removed by the moderators (was anyone suspended from the forums? Discussing exploits is against forum rules...) or the original posts have been edited by the poster (but screenshots and quoted posts or the originals remain).

It's also crazy to say that punishing past behavior is off limits (especially if the past behavior was very recent past behavior). The vast majority of people who take advantage of exploits are doing so knowingly - there's no confusion. And NG can't call attention to these things by posting that it's not okay to do them on the forums. That just gets the word out even more. The people who are doing this generally (or perhaps entirely) know it's not okay.

I also completely agree that for people who systematically and intentionally take advantage of exploits, such as those that took advantage of a particular one to get perfect badges and survivors, a two week ban is nothing. Those people will continue to 'cheat' by using these perfect in-game items every time they play the game. When you get caught shoplifting they don't let you keep everything you stole and just stop you from coming into the store for 2 weeks.

edit: because passion leads to typos. Lots of typos.

SavannahGuy81 · July 2019

I play this game long enuff and I spend enuff as well to know some level can’t be done .. when I see someone doing 3 stars on them, that’s more then I need to see something fishy. I tryed have videos of those level and did nt get any lol..I’m not bragging names and I won’t do it.. but let people on top leaderboard that doing funny scores just encourage others to do the same IMO..

JayZ · July 2019

Dbl_Edge_DEP said:
With all due respect, I'm not sure why people care so much about the leaderboards. Bragging rights? Sense of accomplishment? Something to do? I don't know, but what is the end goal?

A little bit of all of those reasons. I've been playing this game since near the beginning, but was very casual about it in my first year. Recently, I broke into the all-time top 50 for the U.S., and I've slowly risen to the mid-20s. Seeing myself progress on the leaderboards and pass legends in the game like @Terminates feels like a reward for all of the time I've put into the game.

When you get to the end-game, there's really not much to do in the game. Your survivors, badges, gear, etc. are all top of the line. The thing that differentiates your gameplay from others is how well you can do in the challenge because your final star count is reflective of your tactics and tenacity (and also how much time/gold you have).

That's why the new individual leaderboards for each challenge has been a great addition. It helps the end-gamers stay motivated, but that motivation is meaningless if the results on the leaderboards don't actually reflect people's true accomplishments, but if it is instead tainted by cheaters.

Even though my level of play is nowhere near that of @SavannahGuy81 (who I had the honor of playing with recently... he is the real deal!), I totally get where he's coming from.

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