The new Master Mission concept is awesome. I did 7 right away, and had to replay a couple because I hadn't yet practiced these maps. I should have done one round normal or did them on my Alt first, but it was awesome being challenged right away.
I think this is really helpful for maxed out end gamers who won't really miss out on rewards. However, that's why I won't do it on my Alt and why many low and mid level players should probably not do Master Missions. I probably will go the traditional grind route on even my Main account on events let Radioactive, because I want those crates at the end of missions.
There is also a strategic element to Master Missions. When a round has an easier map for the Master Mission, I will do it to get 3 stars on all the maps, even the harder ones on that round. If done right, you might actually get a better score than you could without Master Missions.
I gotta say I am completely on board with this new way of challenge-ing!!!!! I’m a half asser and as one of the OG players, burnt out and hanging on by a lazy thread forcing myself to get some measly stars this new system is exactly what I personally needed to try and whole ass it again I haven’t seen higher rsl‘s in a year now because just no. I’m not super competitive or on any leaderboards but as a long time No Manslandian I’m pumped to be able to actually enjoy the challenge again and it not consume hours of so many days.
The gas cost is good and although the reward boxes are less than playing all the missions separately I did get a nice legendary katana and the time saved makes it worth it to me. The tg and all the other rewards seem the same ( although I got 19 Rufus tokens so I might be overly gushing lol)
> @Deadheads said: > Does the mission on the Master Mission not go in sequence? mine seems to be jumping around.
I've only did 6 mm so far and the pattern seems to be bottom row to top row, left to right but starting point seems to be based on ur starting lvl. Mine started with bottom right corner then moved to top left corner...went across top then went back to bottom row and started left to right again.
Maps definitely skip through with rounds passes so you will not get the first map to play first necessarily
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@Troublemaker do you or do you not want the grind? There’s too much grind I can’t play enough, I’ve got through the rounds but now can’t play as much! Lol!
@Troublemaker do you or do you not want the grind? There’s too much grind I can’t play enough, I’ve got through the rounds but now can’t play as much! Lol!
Yeah it may sound controversial, but it misses the point by a little. Less grind of course, but locked out too soon.
I think Master Stage can be tweaked to (almost) perfection though.
Doing master mission at level 35 difficulty for level 29 maps is a bit extreme. It probably needs to be toned down a bit or at the very least, every regular mission you complete brings down the difficulty.
I’m loving it @ATLAS-Z . Would like to see the +6 levels lowered but even at +6 it’s a blessing that will keep me playing the game, as I was on the verge of retiring. Skipped 6 rounds so far and I have to say I believe this will make me a better player strategically. I’ve always played a rush game but the MS is forcing me to slow down and think about every move.
Kudos to you for making the suggestion to NG and the forum. There are always going to be haters, but in my mind this is one of the best ever improvements to the game.
Another item of note: An MM only counts as one mission for completing daily quest(s). Makes sense, I suppose; but another limitation trade-off for the time and gas savings. PRO: Less gas, less time, faster progress. CON: Less XP and other useful rewards (1/6th as much!), less farming with Maggie/Glenn/Gov (before switching to Best Team for Map). NEUTRAL: Quickly run out of MMs that can be completed with 3 stars. (Well, I do at least!)
Anyone tried: once you cannot beat the MM (let's say 30.1 so lvl 36, maybe because you get the toughest map), and play through all 6 maps to proceed forward to the next round (30.2) -> is the MM the same map or another?
> @Jenng said: > (Image) > > > I gotta say I am completely on board with this new way of challenge-ing!!!!! I’m a half asser and as one of the OG players, burnt out and hanging on by a lazy thread forcing myself to get some measly stars this new system is exactly what I personally needed to try and whole ass it again
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Love the concept, like the implementation, and very much appreciate the effort.
It comes down to math. With a +6 RSL penalty, a player has to play through 6x2=12 rounds that they can easily 3* in order to get to rounds that are challenging (that they have difficulty 3-starring). 12 rounds = 72 maps = too much grind.
Cut it in half. With a +3 RSL penalty, a player would have to play through 6 rounds (36 maps) that they can easily 3* in order to get to rounds that are challenging. 36 maps is still a lot, but much better than 72.
> @JoeSmart said: > Anyone tried: once you cannot beat the MM (let's say 30.1 so lvl 36, maybe because you get the toughest map), and play through all 6 maps to proceed forward to the next round (30.2) -> is the MM the same map or another?
It would be the next map in rotation so it's possible to get easier map that u can 3 star on the next go round.
Loving it, and once I top out on master missions, I may stil be able to bang through a few by luck, or the skin of my teeth, thjnking The Pyre with sciut daryl in the lead.
I really like it. I've been able to rum three MM before it got too difficult. I also think you don't lose any crates by skipping missions, you do one mission you get 6 crates With saved gas you can do scavange if you feel so
A trap I fell into: If you try multiple times to clear a master mission, you can easily end up spending more time/gas than you would have if you ran the 6 normal missions. So just dip once and END IT.
Conceptually, this is far, far superior to round passes, especially if it’s being downgraded to +4 where I could easily finish through all my easy rounds this way.
However, there are two big problems. First is that you are giving away a vast amount of crates (5/6ths, and most of your supply drops since you only get some early on). Either the crates need to count for a LOT more when you finish this, or you need to be able to open all of them for free. Otherwise you’re saving time, but starving yourself for resources, especially if you’re also skipping while on a round pass!
The other one is the daily trophies. I did three skips straight off. Normally I would have been able to complete all the trophy objectives by the time I finished 3 rounds, but instead I’ve got 9 to go, either I take a break from skip missions to finish the objective, possibly racking up its difficulty (at least while +6) to where I can’t finish it, or grind boring modes like salvage instead, which kind of defeats the purpose. Let’s make skips count for at least 3 points on the objective, okay?
Finally - make it clearer that you can try again if you flop the skip mission, had a guildie in who thought he had to eat the lost points when he made a mistake and had a survivor grappled. Maybe not bring up the “go to next level” screen unless you three star? Actually, that may be a good idea overall, since I have occasionally forgotten that I intended to go back to retry a mission after getting only one or two stars on it, and finishing the rest of the round before going back.
No no no. You’re doing it wrong lol. You don’t have to do the MM at all. Just do it until you can no longer 3 star...even if it’s only a round or two, then drop back down to doing the normal challenge rounds.
> @Oohbaby said: > Reduce increase in walker level. Only made half my normal stars, now the walkers far exceed what I can handle at level 26
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I think this is really helpful for maxed out end gamers who won't really miss out on rewards. However, that's why I won't do it on my Alt and why many low and mid level players should probably not do Master Missions. I probably will go the traditional grind route on even my Main account on events let Radioactive, because I want those crates at the end of missions.
There is also a strategic element to Master Missions. When a round has an easier map for the Master Mission, I will do it to get 3 stars on all the maps, even the harder ones on that round. If done right, you might actually get a better score than you could without Master Missions.
I gotta say I am completely on board with this new way of challenge-ing!!!!! I’m a half asser and as one of the OG players, burnt out and hanging on by a lazy thread forcing myself to get some measly stars this new system is exactly what I personally needed to try and whole ass it again
The gas cost is good and although the reward boxes are less than playing all the missions separately I did get a nice legendary katana and the time saved makes it worth it to me. The tg and all the other rewards seem the same ( although I got 19 Rufus tokens so I might be overly gushing lol)
> Does the mission on the Master Mission not go in sequence? mine seems to be jumping around.
I've only did 6 mm so far and the pattern seems to be bottom row to top row, left to right but starting point seems to be based on ur starting lvl. Mine started with bottom right corner then moved to top left corner...went across top then went back to bottom row and started left to right again.
I felt it locked the player out of the game too soon. Played three maps in less than 10 minutes and are left on waiting for 2-3 hours.
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I think Master Stage can be tweaked to (almost) perfection though.
Kudos to you for making the suggestion to NG and the forum. There are always going to be haters, but in my mind this is one of the best ever improvements to the game.
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PRO: Less gas, less time, faster progress.
CON: Less XP and other useful rewards (1/6th as much!), less farming with Maggie/Glenn/Gov (before switching to Best Team for Map).
NEUTRAL: Quickly run out of MMs that can be completed with 3 stars. (Well, I do at least!)
How about multiple buttons choices?
Jump 2, 4 or 6 levels
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> I gotta say I am completely on board with this new way of challenge-ing!!!!! I’m a half asser and as one of the OG players, burnt out and hanging on by a lazy thread forcing myself to get some measly stars this new system is exactly what I personally needed to try and whole ass it again
This made me LOL
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It comes down to math. With a +6 RSL penalty, a player has to play through 6x2=12 rounds that they can easily 3* in order to get to rounds that are challenging (that they have difficulty 3-starring). 12 rounds = 72 maps = too much grind.
Cut it in half. With a +3 RSL penalty, a player would have to play through 6 rounds (36 maps) that they can easily 3* in order to get to rounds that are challenging. 36 maps is still a lot, but much better than 72.
This is close to being awesome.
> Anyone tried: once you cannot beat the MM (let's say 30.1 so lvl 36, maybe because you get the toughest map), and play through all 6 maps to proceed forward to the next round (30.2) -> is the MM the same map or another?
It would be the next map in rotation so it's possible to get easier map that u can 3 star on the next go round.
I've been able to rum three MM before it got too difficult.
I also think you don't lose any crates by skipping missions, you do one mission you get 6 crates
With saved gas you can do scavange if you feel so
However, there are two big problems. First is that you are giving away a vast amount of crates (5/6ths, and most of your supply drops since you only get some early on). Either the crates need to count for a LOT more when you finish this, or you need to be able to open all of them for free. Otherwise you’re saving time, but starving yourself for resources, especially if you’re also skipping while on a round pass!
The other one is the daily trophies. I did three skips straight off. Normally I would have been able to complete all the trophy objectives by the time I finished 3 rounds, but instead I’ve got 9 to go, either I take a break from skip missions to finish the objective, possibly racking up its difficulty (at least while +6) to where I can’t finish it, or grind boring modes like salvage instead, which kind of defeats the purpose. Let’s make skips count for at least 3 points on the objective, okay?
Finally - make it clearer that you can try again if you flop the skip mission, had a guildie in who thought he had to eat the lost points when he made a mistake and had a survivor grappled. Maybe not bring up the “go to next level” screen unless you three star? Actually, that may be a good idea overall, since I have occasionally forgotten that I intended to go back to retry a mission after getting only one or two stars on it, and finishing the rest of the round before going back.
Lots of potential, but needs tuning.
No no no. You’re doing it wrong lol. You don’t have to do the MM at all. Just do it until you can no longer 3 star...even if it’s only a round or two, then drop back down to doing the normal challenge rounds.
> @Oohbaby said:
> Reduce increase in walker level. Only made half my normal stars, now the walkers far exceed what I can handle at level 26
Edit nevermind, I found a spot in Watch tower 26
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