Grenades and Medkits!!
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please remove this bullshit from the game. You would see, the best players will stop the game sooner or later. Absolutely NOTHING to do with skill anymore!
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noobtools in a nutshell...
And in the challenge we will have top scores of 4k+ every week. It just takes by far too much time.
@Fluxxx : If NG needs more income, find ways to make the challenge harder, so it is more fun again.
and this is just considering that the same maps are attempted, with throwing grenades and healing with medipacks the other guy with bottomless wallet can attempt harder maps that would be very risky without tools
so they will clear harder missions and zones
it is not hard to see the pay to win aspect of this
I mean, idea is ok, something new into game is always welcome but being able to just buy them anytime during mission isn't fair.
Being able to take down tank, the beast of the game that make us stop from progress with just 2 grenades - ridiculous.
And on top of all this, tools don't cost us turn, but after throwing we can still move ?! How ? Why ?
This is not about money, people who pay should be rewarded, should have advantage, all that is fine ... but this is making game so easy and pointless. One update we get reduced grind - next update new powers who allow us to go way further.
https://forums.nextgames.com/walkingdead/discussion/40263/wild-walking-is-actively-seeking-new-members#latest
I know it's too late for NG to take these items away. I am realistic, and I recognize that it is really unlikely to happen. BUT I really do hope they at least consider placing some restrictions on them.
For example, restrict use of grenades/medkits to only once per day for each item. That way, a player can use it to get through a particularly difficult GW level, or a challenge level that they have been stuck on for 24 hours (everyone here can probably name a level like that...), but it doesn't make this game a potentially endless grind.
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I think it was the worst update we've ever had in the game.
Gold in this game is used to fight against "bad luck", so why the arriving of tools not based on probability is not welcomed??
Outcome of using both medkits and grenades is well defined. There is no gambling. Not at all.
You'll have exactly what you'd expect in time and place that you'll choose.
It's lowering the variance in mathematical terms.
I could describe various scenarios when using them will prevent frustration and make playing more predictable and joyful, but I'll leave it to your imagination.
NG continually adds stuff to buy in the game.
The game can't survive without it. NG always needs to add new stuff specifically for end gamers to collect and buy in order to go further. The toolkit, with medkits and grenades, is the latest stuff to collect and buy.
Asking NG to remove the toolkit from the game is a big ask. They spent good time and money to develop it, and they hope to make money from it.
Perhaps NG should make the grenades and medkits significantly less powerful, and lessen the cooldown restrictions for their use. At least with this, one would have to collect (or buy) more of both to make them more usable for high level missions.
This adds more strategy for the user of the toolkit versus the current version "blunt pay to win" grenades and medkits. But at the same time still, it stil allows NG to sell them.. One would have to think more about when to use both if they provided smaller buffs. This idea could allow toolkit items to be more readily available in the economy. (crates, quests, GW rewards, etc.)
This is a change that would require minimal development effort also. It might make the toolkit concept a little more palatable to players if there was at least some strategy involved with these items.
50% damage to any type of walker at any level is ridiculous. The fact that you can do 800k damage to a level 50 is crazy, there needs to be some sort of adjustment to special walkers with massive health. When you blow up a barrel, a grenade walker or goo walker you add 3 threat, grenades add 1? If you want to use a grenade it should cost you an action point. You should have to be selective about when you can use them, not just pay 70 gold when you feel like it.
Yin without yang. Completely imbalanced and ruins this great strategy game you have created.
https://forums.nextgames.com/walkingdead/discussion/40263/wild-walking-is-actively-seeking-new-members"
> The toolkits turned the balance [...] minimized the chess [...] aspects.
You are completely wrong imo.
> There needs to be a balance, I know Fluxxx came out and said that they would be monitoring the situation and making adjustments so hopefully they do. With something so strong there needs to drawback but in the current state there isn't one.
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> 50% damage to any type of walker at any level is ridiculous. The fact that you can do 800k damage to a level 50 is crazy, there needs to be some sort of adjustment to special walkers with massive health. When you blow up a barrel, a grenade walker or goo walker you add 3 threat, grenades add 1? If you want to use a grenade it should cost you an action point. You should have to be selective about when you can use them, not just pay 70 gold when you feel like it.
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> Yin without yang. Completely imbalanced and ruins this great strategy game you have created.
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Now maybe they add an actual cool down to med kits (like the rpg loading for instance), or maybe they dial back the damage for grenades. I still think it’s possible to fix this, but I don’t know that they will....
I pushed the last 4 or so weeks just to see what I could do. Made top 50 (top 10 in us) every week. Ive put a lot of money into this game over the last 4 or 5 years, and honestly, it’s people like me that I think NG was targeting to make money off of. I’ll loudly say I will NOT be spending money on this. Out of principle, I don’t like the idea at all.
Again. I still think there’s hope. But for now, definitely disappointed
My personal opinion is that it should only be 1 of each type of tool per mission. I said it in the other thread but will say again here. I remember the uproar when they nerfed wrestle trait which could kill any level walker in 1 go and people still moan about its loss. Now we have something which is half as powerful and more expensive (more than close of healing the survivor who struggled to activate wrestle).
I can see both sides of the arguments though and will be interesting to see if it does break the game as much as people fear. (I mean we’ve had them 2 days so far)
I will certainly enjoy it when I'm in a though spot, I can use my free obtained tool to save the day.
In stead of waiting 2 hours to heal because I messed up.
Or lose an attack because I've got a hard mission type on guild wars. (Sometimes you get the spikeys and the gate and the constant spawning)
I get it, people trying to be on the leaderboards won't like the pressure to compete against someone throwing out grenades and medpacks like they are cookies. (Yes money buys you more stars than before)
I get it, some guilds will own guild wars with their money (even more then already was of big influence).
But I don't care about that. I really like to have this free tool available whenever I want. Get me that mm I would still like to finish at the end of challenge. Get me that guild wars save the mission.
Maybe there should be some restrictions like single use per mission, remove the buy anytime for gold function definitely (that's just perverse).
But don't Nerf the functionality itself.
The damage for the grenade is exactly what it should be. The medkit is fine. Having it as extra move is OP but a nice touch.
I had to Shell out some gold to climb up the leaderboard last week. And I know the players above me shelled out even more most of them.
With unlimited tools at their disposal, I don't know if I'll be trying to keep them company again.
Maybe they could divide the tools into two categories:
secondary weapon
support item
And then let each survivor equip one of each?
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> Yes my original suggestion for consumables was to allow one per mission and it had to be equipped before the mission.
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> I had to Shell out some gold to climb up the leaderboard last week. And I know the players above me shelled out even more most of them.
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> With unlimited tools at their disposal, I don't know if I'll be trying to keep them company again.
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> Maybe they could divide the tools into two categories:
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> secondary weapon
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> support item
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> And then let each survivor equip one of each?
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Honestly this is what I had in mind more so. Equipping before hand and that’s what you have to stick with. No exchanging between each other during mission or using more then what you had equipped.
On another topic, if they wanted a tool that people would really like, they should make Lockpick (reduce gate opening by half).