I insist....matchmaking is not fair..

capibaracapibara Member Posts: 6,303
..i said it before with the Usain Bolt here..
https://forums.nextgames.com/walkingdead/discussion/comment/411526/#Comment_411526
...and i say it again. It's not fair.. there is a lot of energy to invest in those matches.. and gold.. money.. and time and the other guild that is on the same level but has not changed tier ..has the victory only because of those 18 attacks more.. ..and then because of that there is always players quitting because of lost motivations etc..  :/


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  • maku11maku11 Member Posts: 60
    We can understand your pain.
    Hopefully, the next update will improve the matching.
    capibaraghost_pepper
  • capibaracapibara Member Posts: 6,303
    maku11 said:
    We can understand your pain.
    Hopefully, the next update will improve the matching.
    Yeah.. i will have 2 or 3 players less at that time..
    "Always be yourself unless you can be a capybara. Then always be a capybara".
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  • ATLAS-ZATLAS-Z Member Posts: 4,229
    Take comfort that after update, this will be an easy win vs Bot 



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  • zeeblackzeeblack Member Posts: 1,142
    edited July 12
    Our last fight was against a guild with better survivors and heroes than us. I saw four star survivors and 2 star heroes. We never stood a chance. Their top two players scored 500 plus while for us breaking 400 barrier is an achievement. Majority of us can't even clear level 35.

    We love to be pitted against a guild like us. The match is thrilling and we have won a few with just a couple of points difference.

    If such match making against strong guilds continues, i hope they close GW forever.

    The match making needs to improve. I think the tier and number of players is not enough for match making. The level of survivors and heroes also needs to be accounted for while doing the match making. Hope SG Woot is not pitted against Legacy Eh in the next guild war.

    Here are two screen shots borrowed from the Top Guns of the Season post



    Here is our match result

    I am the one and only Zee Black, climbed all the way to Level 75, part of SG Woot, the 3 million star guild

    capibaraATLAS-ZT_12
  • ghost_pepperghost_pepper Member Posts: 382
    edited July 13
    Do they make more ranks within each classification? Instead of bronze 1-3, maybe we need bronze 1-6. Instead of silver 1-3, maybe we need silver 1-9. Guilds that don't win will advance much morenslowly through the rankings facing only other guilds that don't win. That's supposed to be the idea of how it works now but that's not how it's working now.

    I think losing guilds advance too far relative to winning guilds. I also think when a guild has an 18 actions unused player, a "no show", that guild should be matched against another guild which also had a "no show" the last time out from the same rank. Guilds that have a hard time with players playing should be playing against each other. Guilds that routinely show up should be playing against other guilds that show up. And that should be weighted. A guild which routinely has a no show lists 7 players should be ranked with an always shows up 6 player group *if* the game really can't match any other way.
    capibarazeeblackNanajjaT_12
  • mirmir Member Posts: 168
    4 people left us because of the war. The last straw was that we were given THE top Guild 3 times in a row.  Moreover, we are shown that their rating is silver 3, although in fact gold 2. And the main thing is that we were beaten three times in a row, it's understandable, the opponent is three times stronger!! I have been waiting for a response from the support team since Saturday, so far there is no response. A lot of resources and time were spent in the hope of success, the third time almost did not play, as it is pointless to fight against those who have all the characters have 4-5 pink stars and all the ratings they are far from you! I hope you are aware of this message to technical support @fluxxx
    capibaraBurmeliinisNanajjaT_12
  • capibaracapibara Member Posts: 6,303
    mir said:
    4 people left us because of the war. The last straw was that we were given THE top Guild 3 times in a row.  Moreover, we are shown that their rating is silver 3, halthough in fact gold 2. And the main thing is that we were beaten three times in a row, it's understandable, the opponent is three times stronger!! I have been waiting for a response from the support team since Saturday, so far there is no response. A lot of resources and time were spent in the hope of success, the third time almost did not play, as it is pointless to fight against those who have all the characters have 4-5 pink stars and all the ratings they are far from you! I hope you are aware of this message to technical support @fluxxx

    ..same.. we have not even play against Sopravvissuti... a team stronger than us but +1 player because they were still 1 tier below...
    i think a lot of top teams have the strategy to not play the first 2 days... this way they are always playing +1 for most of the War..


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  • CrocodileCrocodile Member Posts: 670
    I'm think it was season 2 when old matchmaking system work, ng admitted that they have a bug, if you sign up in war planer in first day of war on all battles you have same tir, so this bug don't fix still and you need update your rating after each fight manually by resign one player in war planer 
    the last standing knight of low lvl
  • maku11maku11 Member Posts: 60
    Thanks for the information on the improvements of the Guild War matchmaking.
    I have a new question.

    Do We need to pass the first and second day to get a better match?






    capibara
  • FluxxxFluxxx Community Manager Posts: 944
    Perhaps, it's never that easy to predict how players and guilds will behave. For example, if most good guilds decide to skip early days, they'll end up facing each other anyway 😅
    maku11capibaraPasteNanajja
  • WellyLugaWellyLuga Member Posts: 2,524
    One tip I can give is that the way the points are worked now, it is better to fight with 6-8 players rather than with 10. It's a shame really as in Wild Walking we prefer to fight with 10, it is better to work around the challenge and people's general schedule with RL but 5-6 battles with 6-8 players gives a higher overall score than 4 days with 10.  Many of the top guilds have already switched over to this.  We are debating whether to make the switch or just to stick with what works for us. It is unlikely that we can top the rankings with 10 players per battle no matter how well we do.

    As it stands now, if you go into a battle with 10 players you are less likely to get the majority of the top guilds like Mavericks, Red Machine, The Last of Us etc. I think over time more and more guilds will follow suit.
    capibara
  • xbamfxxbamfx Member Posts: 1,310
    good match today @WellyLuga I wanted to battle you guys! Haha congrats on the win. Well deserved, I didn’t think you guys would go hunting haha and you found OG. Impressive scores as well. Looking forward to Round 3 👊 
    CrocodileWellyLugacapibara
  • CrocodileCrocodile Member Posts: 670
    xbamfx said:
    good match today @WellyLuga I wanted to battle you guys! Haha congrats on the win. Well deserved, I didn’t think you guys would go hunting haha and you found OG. Impressive scores as well. Looking forward to Round 3 👊 
    where the score? :)
    the last standing knight of low lvl
    capibara
  • xbamfxxbamfx Member Posts: 1,310
    I wasn’t in on this one @Crocodile but hopefully I can get revenge lol 

    Crocodile
  • xbamfxxbamfx Member Posts: 1,310
    I look forward to these type of challenges the rest of the game is so boring and redundant. 
    CrocodileWellyLuga
  • CrocodileCrocodile Member Posts: 670
    edited July 30
    it is so unusual to see you guys doing 5 000 - 6 000 points 
    shit system, 4x10 was better 
    the last standing knight of low lvl
  • WellyLugaWellyLuga Member Posts: 2,524
    xbamfx said:
    good match today @WellyLuga I wanted to battle you guys! Haha congrats on the win. Well deserved, I didn’t think you guys would go hunting haha and you found OG. Impressive scores as well. Looking forward to Round 3 👊 
    Haha yeah Joca made a plan to go hunting and it worked out well. Hopefully doesn't leave us vulnerable on another day but we have many killers in the guild :smiley:.  It was a good scrap! I left a friendly comment on the top guns thread too :wink:

    Crocodile said:
    it is so unusual to see you guys doing 5 000 - 6 000 points 
    shit system, 4x10 was better 

    Yeah I much prefer fighting with a stacked team of 10. So much gorilla warfare with these varying team sizes. But we were challenged and had to answer the call :lol:
  • JankelJankel Member Posts: 222
    edited August 12
    It just doesn't work, distrust is the only thing to say  :#
  • JankelJankel Member Posts: 222
    edited August 12
    Associate for the second time in a row with a much stronger guild than us, which is in another group of guild, that's not true machmaking, distrust is the only thing to say ... Dear NG, he can forget Our gold repairing Our seriously injured characters (we understand a lot that this is the purpose, it's not fun it's frustration) .. We will play a lot to pass the time until the impulse passes and we uninstall everything.
    psychwolf
  • JankelJankel Member Posts: 222
    Tanti sforzi per organizzarci e vedere tutti i nostri sforzi così sconvolti? Cosa ci ha dato? niente
    capibara
  • capibaracapibara Member Posts: 6,303
    Jankel said:
    Tanti sforzi per organizzarci e vedere tutti i nostri sforzi così sconvolti? Cosa ci ha dato? niente
    ..but you had a +1 guild or it was on the same level? 
    Imo the problem is only when it's +1 ...having a stronger guild as enemy makes sense as very often you have a weak opponent. 
    I never had this issue since the last update...and i'm happy with that because when you are playing against a +1 you are going to lose also if the player is weak
    "Always be yourself unless you can be a capybara. Then always be a capybara".
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  • JankelJankel Member Posts: 222
    They were guilds +2
    capibara
  • capibaracapibara Member Posts: 6,303
    Jankel said:
    They were guilds +2
     :o 
    "Always be yourself unless you can be a capybara. Then always be a capybara".
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  • zeeblackzeeblack Member Posts: 1,142
    edited August 28
    @capibara,  yesterday we were matched against a guild much stronger than ours. We never stood a chance at beating them. Just look at the scores we achieved and their scores. It was an unfair matching between a strong guild and a mediocre guild. This is not the first time. We have been matched against strong guilds in the past. @Fluxxx hope this problem is taken care of as it steals the thrill from the GW. 


    I am the one and only Zee Black, climbed all the way to Level 75, part of SG Woot, the 3 million star guild

    capibaraDanski_46T_12
  • capibaracapibara Member Posts: 6,303
    zeeblack said:
    @capibara you are right. Yesterday we were matched against a guild much stronger than ours. We never stood a chance at beating them. 
    But... again playing against +x??  :o
    "Always be yourself unless you can be a capybara. Then always be a capybara".
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  • GothgulGothgul Member Posts: 192
    Was this 2 different wars? Why are they both the exact same team scores, but different individual scores? Doesnt look right.
  • ghost_pepperghost_pepper Member Posts: 382
    edited August 28
    Top five and bottom five for scoring. He's showing the full roster. This displays the massive difference in team strength.
    brucewayne007
  • BurmeliinisBurmeliinis Member Posts: 678
    It’s a new season so everyone starts from the same line. It will even out after a while.
    Ingame username: Jubjab
    brucewayne007CrocodileJayZ
  • brucewayne007brucewayne007 Member Posts: 264
    @zeeblack

    In The 1st war/weekend of Guild Wars we all are the same. Nobody has scored points yet so until the 2nd War we start to play the teams that are closer in ability. 
    And 3rd and 4th war will definitely be playing the same groups. 
    The only thing they can do is try and match the numbers which they did correctly 10v10. 
    Stay patient, the 1st war is always a mixed bag. 
    I do feel for you, but we have to accept it’s very difficult for NG to start breaking down how many pink stars we have per player. They don’t know who we use, just way too many variables in doing this. 
    So stay patient and enjoy playing the next 3 weekends of GW. And hope you shake out and play the teams to similar abilities. 
    Players quitting because of match making seems like they already have 1 foot out the door. 
    Crocodile
  • brucewayne007brucewayne007 Member Posts: 264
    @zeeblack
    And rocking a double pink Morgan, if you have rerolled him to have the adequate traits for a bruiser. 
    He’s a beast! 2 pinks is still great and you should be able to compete with them.
    Maybe the oppositions strategy is really good. 
    Closing sectors and working as a team. 
    Remember that teams work hard to work as 1. Allocating the correct levels for everyone and closing sectors. It’s not a free for all with the top guilds. It’s team play
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