Fair play for all

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  • Vladimir_TopVladimir_Top Member Posts: 11
    edited October 2
    Karajoca said:
    You can't ask and expect detailed answer from developers to tell you on which way exactly they discover manipulative players in their game. Unfortunately there are still cheaters out there, not just here but in every game. If any more details are discovered here, can only help rest of the cheaters to don't get caught next time.

    I think answer you get was pretty clear - they run scans periodically and they scan all. If you don't believe this, that's your problem.

    It's very logical to me why players from same guild and community get banned. When you discover tricks like this and if you share with someone that will be inside your guild won't tell whole world. 
    So, don't pretend you don't understand anything and blame someone else. You need to distance yourself from banned players and show the rest of your group is fair, i believe that and never questioned. 

    Original post was great, but the way you all act in this thread will only make things worse
    We do not ask for details. There is no certainty that EVERYONE is being checked. Checked everyone and got our 5 players? Or did they check only 1 guild and found 5 people and after that there is a label on the Russians that they are all cheaters? These are the questions. None of the players, neither you nor I, know whether there was a total check. Only the official representative from whom we ask for an answer knows this. In any sport, winners are always checked so that there is no doubt about the honesty of their victory. The test results are available to anyone. In this game, lack of information leads to speculation about fair play. Are you absolutely sure that the players from the second and third place guilds, for example, played fair? Or are they not punished because they were not checked? The lack of reliable information leads to the fact that if the Russian guild wins, then it will be possible to say without any problems that they are cheaters and therefore won. And it is impossible to prove that you played honestly and you just play better than others. And for many players, proving that you are the best is important. And if any of your victory can be destroyed by the statement that you are a cheater, then many good players simply leave the game. Because they don't want to prove that they are not cheaters, which is almost impossible without information from the developers.
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  • 8900rpm8900rpm Member Posts: 114
    @Vladimir_Top

    Fluxxx' answer says that they do not check players or guilds. They scan for exploits, then ban the cheaters. Seems clear to me.

    Fluxxx said:
    Hi,

    Just to be clear, we do not run scans based on specific player demographics, such as the country you're in, only based on the thing we're scanning for - which could be exploits, cheats, botting or other forms of gameplay automation. Then if action follows, then it is applied to all those detected - if that turns out to be a specific guild, or group of players, it is just coincidental.

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  • Vladimir_TopVladimir_Top Member Posts: 11
    8900rpm said:
    @Vladimir_Top

    Fluxxx' answer says that they do not check players or guilds. They scan for exploits, then ban the cheaters. Seems clear to me.

    Fluxxx said:
    Hi,

    Just to be clear, we do not run scans based on specific player demographics, such as the country you're in, only based on the thing we're scanning for - which could be exploits, cheats, botting or other forms of gameplay automation. Then if action follows, then it is applied to all those detected - if that turns out to be a specific guild, or group of players, it is just coincidental.

    So everyone who didn't get banned is playing fair? Are you absolutely sure about that? 
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  • TCBRITOTCBRITO Member Posts: 404
    edited October 3
    I'm sure there is no persecution by nationality or country.

    There are always punished players from other countries, for example in the last NW Germany lost the title for having 1 player punished, and other countries also had players punished. I've seen players from various countries being punished.

    I understand that because of these cheating players, it ends up creating a bad reputation for other players in that same guild or even that country. But I don't generalize, I know that most Russians are honest, but unfortunately they end up having their reputation tarnished by some cheaters.

    About checking players from all countries and all guilds. I'm sure this is done and all players are monitored.

    And regarding the result of the GW ranking, the guild that was in 1st place was caught with 5 players cheating, and the guild that was in 2nd place played honestly and correctly, so I don't see what the problem is here, obviously the real one last season's victorious guild was one that didn't have players cheating.

    My sincere greetings to Russian players and to all other countries, I really have nothing against you all. I am grateful to NG for the successful work of combating fraud, so that the dispute is always clean and fair. I sincerely hope that in the next GW season no player will try to cheat to gain advantages unfairly, and that if it happens again, NG will act again in a severe way.

    I am 100% against cheating players, regardless of the country from which they play. Live the fair play, live the healthy and fair dispute between the teams, and may the best of all win.


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  • brucewayne007brucewayne007 Member Posts: 264
    @Vladimir_Top

    @Firekid is completely correct in what he said. 
    Why you want NG to breakdown the percentages of players banned to what is tested and in what nation, mate they aren’t here to spoon feed us. Don’t cheat and don’t get banned. 
    Simple

    Its unfortunate that Russia will have this tag. But it’s deserved at present. Blame the minority who have ruined it for the majority. Don’t put it on NG for not providing you statistics. Are you banned? No, so who gives a F. As long as you know you are clean, that’s all that matters. 
    Who cares what we think! Or the community. 
    When high profile players get done and particular performances raise eye brows. You expect people to question it. 
    And I hate to bring this up, but when you have a country with the win at all cost mentality that was banned from the Olympics, it’s very easy for people to tag the Russian Nation with this label. 

    This is actually what we are talking about. The misconduct of individual players is projected onto all Russians. I am not asking for separate statistics on nationalities, I am asking for general statistics. To suppress rumors among the Russian-speaking community about bias towards us, it is important to know that everyone is being checked, regardless of merit and nationality. And personally, you demonstrate toxic behavior towards all Russians. @fluxxx pay you attention.
    The 2 Russians within the community that I have spoken with will vouch that I do not have toxic behaviour towards the Russian people. I won’t name them but they are both high profiled players for you. 
    I am actually very sympathetic that the majority of your Nation is labelled because of a small few. 
    I just don’t think that your Nation and teams have been targeted which you are implying. And Fluxxx has said this above. And many other players have pointed this out through Fluxxx’s statement. 
    And let’s just say for argument sake, let’s say the guilds and Nation has been targeted. You should be grateful to NG for helping clean up the game and Nation of the people not choosing to play in the perimeters of the game. 
    We all invest a lot of time into this game, the cleaner the game the better. 
    Targeted or not, I am grateful the game continues to find people that are not playing clean. 
    And you should be thanking NG for helping keep your Nation clean. 
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  • ghost_pepperghost_pepper Member Posts: 382
    Milana said:
    JayZ said:
    I don’t think you understand how computer code works. If there is a pattern of behavior, you can write code that comprehensively scans and identifies it. That seems to be what NG did here. The more defensive you act, the more guilty you seem.
    Nobody defense players who cheated & get permanent ban for it. It's more like "stop saying crap about Russian players in general & make assumptions about them" and so on. 
    This conversation is borederline surreal.

    Players who aren't involved in this forum have shown up to it to insist that others "stop talking crap about them" on the very forum that contains zero crap talk. Does this have to do with Facebook? I never ever go there.

    If there was crap talk here on this forum about Russian players, i missed it entirely. And i usually scan for every possible post i might be able to make.
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  • CrocodileCrocodile Member Posts: 670
    edited October 3

    If there was crap talk here on this forum about Russian players, i missed it entirely. And i usually scan for every possible post i might be able to make.

    it was one, maybe two forum trolls in Top Gun topic but they already got their cookies and crawled under the bridge

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  • Vladimir_TopVladimir_Top Member Posts: 11
    Well, specific information was given about the bans in the war of nations. What is the problem to give the same information now
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  • FirekidFirekid Member Posts: 2,596
    I don’t think this proves what you think it proves. They ran a scan because of nation wars. 22 players who participated in nationwars were caught. This doesn’t mean there weren’t 100 players not playing in guild wars who didn’t get caught, just that they didn’t matter and so weren’t discussed.
    it was also very general just giving a number of players caught. No breakdown of nationalities or percentages of those checked or anything. 
    I’m very surprised that you brought this up though as it is probably where Russians got their “cheating Russians” stereotype from in the first place. 

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  • MilanaMilana Member Posts: 3
    edited October 3
    reekookr said:
    I think its always safe bet to be little racist against russians, afterall they shoot down commercial airlines and poison their own people.
    Here was an answer to that. But better not to engage in this type of behavior.
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  • crambert_neccrambert_nec Member Posts: 1,371
    Lol literally half of the 22 players banned during NW3 were from Team Russia. There's no NG witch hunt against your country but as far as your reputation goes, your top players are consistently caught cheating. You guys did this to yourselves. Looks like a duck, quacks like a duck...
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  • SleeperyJeemSleeperyJeem Member Posts: 110
    What makes you think you're entitled to stats on anti-cheat actions? Here's a free clue, you're not. Don't like it? Tough. The fact remains, high level players were caught cheating, and "other people are doing it too" is a defense that doesn't even work for infants. Grow up, and stop playing the nationalist card with no justification.




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  • KarajocaKarajoca Member Posts: 272
    That's all i am trying to tell them too.

    Reputation in this game is built through sharing, making videos, communication, involvement. 

    Russian players are distanced from community, can't install our chat apps unfortunately, not much present on forums too. 
    Yet when this things happen you come here together in large numbers and support eachother while attacking everyone else. 

    i am sorry but this are facts. For everyone here you are group of strangers who show up angry when they get banned or when some exploit you used get fixed

    It's definitely true that there is bad atmosphere towards russian players - but you helped creating it with your behavior. 

    All this can be fixed if you try to be friendly, more involved and build your reputation by sharing videos and showing who you actually are in this game
    I can say for example, i disagreed with almost everything this crazy @Crocodile was posting at beginning here, but now i realise he is one of the most dedicated players in the game. He has my respect
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  • FirekidFirekid Member Posts: 2,596
    You just need to look at @iozzeg post to see how you respond to this sort of thing happening, with dignity and respect. Not shooting your mouth off and getting super defensive. 
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  • CrocodileCrocodile Member Posts: 670
    Karajoca said:
    I can say for example, i disagreed with almost everything this crazy @Crocodile was posting at beginning here, but now i realise he is one of the most dedicated players in the game. He has my respect

    Thanks for the kind words. My crazy anger was against NG when I came to the forum and some of the members of the forum fell under it, but now I'm just trying to be useful to the community and let go of that anger.
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  • Gomose_WGomose_W Member Posts: 34
    edited October 5
    One of my guild member gotbanned last year,claimed as "Exploits low level survivors tobeat41-43 missions"(the fact he didn't),bad effect lasted till today and there's a low morale among my community.
    I support you to figure out those questions from NG.
  • crambert_neccrambert_nec Member Posts: 1,371
    Lol literally half of the 22 players banned during NW3 were from Team Russia. There's no NG witch hunt against your country but as far as your reputation goes, your top players are consistently caught cheating. You guys did this to yourselves. Looks like a duck, quacks like a duck...
    Russia must have thousands of players. But we can say 10000 and make this example. 10 players banned are 1/1000 of the players. So you name cheaters 9990 players just because. This is racism. 
    Tell me where are you from and I’ll find ten bad people and name you something.
    Your logic sucks. 

    My logic is fine because I said your top players are consistently caught cheating, not all players. Where is the lie
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  • JayZJayZ Member Posts: 3,597
    Tell me where are you from and I’ll find ten bad people and name you something.
    Your logic sucks. 
    @crambert_nec is from the US. Please name 10 top US players that were banned for cheating.
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