Nation Wars 5 - December 2/2020

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  • AlexKomAlexKom Member Posts: 73
    Karajoca said:
    Seriously? We learned about bans on Thursday, some players already invested fair amount of gold to push from beginning, and then because of  someone from their team who didn't want to admit they can't participate you disqualify whole team? 

    I am sure you wouldn't be that blunt if you are the organizer and have to make this decisions.

    Whole point of this competition is to have fun and represent your country - with participating in 1st place, not winning. 
    Look at teams of Malaysia, Taiwan, Vietnam etc. small countries who managed to make team of 20 and proud to be there. Don't ruin this for them because few individuals were dishonest and unfair. Those individuals already ruined reputation of their teams

    If you were fair, be proud and dignified, all this closed threads are not the way to make anything good, trust me
    The Russian national team before the competition specifically specified the conditions for the ban from the organizers. There was a clear answer that a ban is a ban and any violation is a violation. 1 day before the start of the wars, strong players were replaced by 100% pure players. in my opinion rule # 8 is unfair, as it punishes people repeatedly for the same violation. However, we deliberately made a weaker team to obey the fair play rules. And the vote in which violators of the rules participate is generally absurd. Why didn't you pull out of the vote like France?
    I agree. The voting was secret. Many players didn't even know about it. This is a direct deception of the players.

    miori199373MikhailЛеушкаHellJesus_SchilaAntoninSenninUnica
  • WhoareyouWhoareyou Member Posts: 93
    Didn’t team Russian vote on this issue in the leaders chat ?
    Killingtime 
    AntoninЛеушка
  • WhoareyouWhoareyou Member Posts: 93
    I find that statement to be untrue everyone in the leaders group know about the vote it was posted 3 or more times in the leaders chat
    Killingtime 
    Antonin
  • RobotronRobotron Member Posts: 10
    I think the organizers did a terrible job and this deceitful event should be done away with 
    marroba2000WhoareyouKarajocaAntoninAlexKomAchilles4200SenninUnica
  • xbamfxxbamfx Member Posts: 1,437
    😂😂😂😂 “Nation Wars” I change the name to......... “Vacation Wars!” Mofos I’m in the Bahamas! 😎 with yo momma 😂 🍹 
    TroublemakerShadowWalkerAchilles4200
  • 3vilrine3vilrine Member Posts: 259
    edited December 2020
    Slowly it gets embarrassing... like @Karajoca said:
    "Rules were there, posted, and it's only player's fault if they still signed up while knowing that their account was recently banned."
    Something like this is only possible in TWDNML, in real games you would be so done as a cheater people would call you out nonstop, flame you, you would be so done, but not in TWDNML, they even want justice...
    Had a good laugh on that .. now get your little Telegram group together for some "Disagrees". :p

    ShadowWalkerKarajocaAntoninSenninADPaqUnica
  • ignasignas Member Posts: 386
    How on earth leaders should know if a player had ban or not? If such knowledge was public ( for example indication next to nick game) I could understand punishment for whole team. 
    I wouldn’t call it a cheat, rather oversight or mission impossible for leaders

    fearofthedarkRobotronm4skinkoAchilles4200miraquilaAntoninSenninbаnksyUnica
  • WhoareyouWhoareyou Member Posts: 93
    There some people that should be embarrassed and a shamed with the comments they have made 
    there are people painting a picture that everyone know that there were banned players playing but that was not the case 
    organisers of NW didn’t know till NG had checked the list of players to discover that banned players had signed up to play but by then NW had started we as leader decided to replace players would be that fairest way forward not to disadvantage other players in the guilds
    banning team would of been unfair to those teams that didn’t know banned players had signed up 
    replacement player were going to be lower then the score of the banned players so no advantage to that team

    to attack the organises and especially attacks on Lola are shameful and misdirected by people not knowing all that facts if people think they can do better stick your hand up to help organise NW 
    instead of playing the blame game 
    Killingtime 
    RobotronAchilles4200marroba2000aquila3vilrineAntoninrelb67SenninbаnksyUnica
  • RobotronRobotron Member Posts: 10
    edited December 2020
    The organizers screwed up by not preforming their due diligence and having no foresight 
    HellJesus_Pressmirmarroba2000Antoninrelb67AlexKomAchilles4200SenninUnica
  • Achilles4200Achilles4200 Member Posts: 5
    This war was awesome! looking forward to doing it again. thank you all involved 
    PressBurmeliinismarroba2000AntoninSenninADPaqUnica
  • BurmeliinisBurmeliinis Member Posts: 1,218
    This war was awesome! looking forward to doing it again. thank you all involved 
    Agreed. The drama on the forums were nowhere to be seen during the war, and instead what I saw was people trying their best and supporting each other.
    Ingame username: Jubjab
    Karajocamarroba2000BustaAntoninSennin
  • Vladimir_TopVladimir_Top Member Posts: 28
    Whoareyou said:
    There some people that should be embarrassed and a shamed with the comments they have made 
    there are people painting a picture that everyone know that there were banned players playing but that was not the case 
    organisers of NW didn’t know till NG had checked the list of players to discover that banned players had signed up to play but by then NW had started we as leader decided to replace players would be that fairest way forward not to disadvantage other players in the guilds
    banning team would of been unfair to those teams that didn’t know banned players had signed up 
    replacement player were going to be lower then the score of the banned players so no advantage to that team

    to attack the organises and especially attacks on Lola are shameful and misdirected by people not knowing all that facts if people think they can do better stick your hand up to help organise NW 
    instead of playing the blame gamе
    Rules are rules. And it doesn't matter for what reason they are violated. And I doubt the national team players didn't know they were banned. Did the team leaders ask the players about bans? If not asked then it is entirely the fault of the leader. Why did the violating teams vote for their fate? The leaders of the violating teams acted as stakeholders. It would be foolish to assume that such a leader would vote for a ban. Only France acted honestly.
    Леушкаmiori199373TCBRITONova_TWD[Deleted User]AntoninMikhailmirbаnksyUnica3vilrine
  • ignasignas Member Posts: 386
    @Vladimir_Top and what if leader asked the question but was tricked - that’s also his or team’s fault? 

    Let’s put those marks on people accounts so everyone, and not only NG may know that we deal with a cheater. 
    m4s
  • DrunkenDrunken Member Posts: 1,726
    LETS ALL HUG IT OUT!!!
    NikitaMoon
  • Vladimir_TopVladimir_Top Member Posts: 28
    ignas said:
    @Vladimir_Top and what if leader asked the question but was tricked - that’s also his or team’s fault? 


    If the player deceived the leader, then the team is not at fault. But why would a player do this? The top players of each nation participate in the war of nations and they are well-known, what is the reason for the deception they understand that they are letting the team down? In my opinion, the rule of prohibiting the participation of players with a ban is unfair. The player receives a second punishment for the same offense, in fact the ban makes the player a second-class person
    bаnksymiori199373SenninVastichTCBRITO
  • KarajocaKarajoca Member Posts: 370
    I really hope to see Russian community of players hosting virtual competition in this game in near future. 
    You obviously know the best and have answers and solutions for everything. Let's see how you will handle all kinds of problems organizers are facing and what decision you make when whole world is monitoring and expect you to satisfy them. 

    I am not saying you should host Nation Wars 6,but anything, whatever you want. Just bring it on, show us how is done.

    When you do that, then you can come here and and teach us all a lesson. All i see now is bla, bla, bla... not fair, we lost, bla, bla. 

    And this message you get from guy who love Russia and consider you as brothers to my country. Totally disappointed in how some of you act here
    marroba2000TCBRITO
  • xbamfxxbamfx Member Posts: 1,437
    Listen while I respect people trying to lead the event and take charge but if that is what you are going to do then you need to take the criticism when it arrives. If the leadership was unaware of who was Banned prior to the event between NW4-NW5 than it should have been postponed until said info was revealed. Pressure put on NG to do the right thing but once again we cut our nose to spite our face because every time someone brings up the issue pre-emptive they get ridiculed and told to not be toxic etc. which in reality once it blows up it’s even worse for those players participating and the event as a whole. This has happened to me specifically in Team USA chat numerous times whether to suppress my opinion or to prevent someone getting “butt hurt” 

    it doesn’t matter though I’m glad I didn’t waste my time participating once again in a flawed event that isn’t governed by NG or enforced properly by leaders etc. it’s ran by a group of people who want it done whatever way they want it done and not a set in stone, hand down transparent and ethical way of doing things. I knew once the vote came in a team wouldn’t be disqualified for violations I wasn’t participating because I instantly KNEW it was going to turn out the debacle it was. AGAIN! Either way it’s my opinion and the truth on the matter whether you like me or, you hate me I speak the truth on this event. Happy Holidays to all, I’m enjoying my vacation in the Bahamas 🍹 good day to all.
    Troublemakermiori199373ЛеушкаDaymonMaria_MWHellJesus_TCBRITONova_TWD
  • Karajoca said:
    we lost, bla, bla. 

    come on man, they dont say that, in core they know that Russia team will not win at beginning because almost all top players reject team call, our guys go there because they wana show that we can play fair by the rule and only that cover under situation piss us off 
    mirmiori199373ЛеушкаDaymonSenninMikhaillolik73
  • Vladimir_TopVladimir_Top Member Posts: 28
    Karajoca said:
    I really hope to see Russian community of players hosting virtual competition in this game in near future. 
    You obviously know the best and have answers and solutions for everything. Let's see how you will handle all kinds of problems organizers are facing and what decision you make when whole world is monitoring and expect you to satisfy them. 

    I am not saying you should host Nation Wars 6,but anything, whatever you want. Just bring it on, show us how is done.

    When you do that, then you can come here and and teach us all a lesson. All i see now is bla, bla, bla... not fair, we lost, bla, bla. 

    And this message you get from guy who love Russia and consider you as brothers to my country. Totally disappointed in how some of you act here
    So I propose to organize youth games. Are you ready to provide information support? Or, for example, to be on the jury?
    [Deleted User]miori199373Sennin3vilrine
  • KarajocaKarajoca Member Posts: 370
    Wanting justice and same treatment would be blaming real "villains" of this wars and those are ONLY players who had no right to play but still signed up.

    But posts here are pure attacking organizers, two girls who's power in all this is very limited, who did and acted best they could among the wolves, and with info they get very late.

    Simply not in my nature to let those attacks continue. 
    You want justice, you ask for it on wrong way, i am sure if you reacted differently, or haven't reacted at all we would actually find out more about what happened in all affected teams, but now after all this nobody wants to argue anymore. 

    Except of course, crazy guys like me.
    marroba2000Sennin3vilrine
  • ignasignas Member Posts: 386
    Really don’t understand how you can treat the same

    1) fact of cheating DURING NW4 
    2) not being aware about participating in NW5 players that were not allowed and replacing them by other players 

    Making equality between those two just blows my mind. 
    KarajocaSenninfearofthedarkAntoninm4s
  • marroba2000marroba2000 Member Posts: 259
    edited December 2020
    In this NW, a member of a National Team made 6 stars the first day, shout “revenge” and flew. It’s crazy but it’s true. So, even the nature of this case is different, there are many lessons from this. 
    A) Team Leaders can’t control the intentions of their players, and obviously can’t do the event organizers. There are situations that explode in the face during the war. 
    B ) The other 19 players are inocent victims, so the act of a dirty player, can’t affect the hope other guys. I think the replacement is the best option. 
    C) The players (let me generalize) are unpredictable people. It’s a game that collect individual players more than team players. Everybody knows a guy in GW who doesn’t want to do the best for the guild. With this material, if this guys can cheat NG, can lie to their own Team Leader, how two people could manage this dirty bunch of fellow scammers. 
    D) Finally, hundred of players cheat and other thousand blame. But nobody wants to help the organizers. The idea is good, and I’m happy with this event. We don’t need more judges, need more transparency. 
    KarajocaSenninfearofthedarkAntoninMinKhan3vilrineignasCABRONAZO_ARG
  • KarajocaKarajoca Member Posts: 370
    ignas said:
    Really don’t understand how you can treat the same

    1) fact of cheating DURING NW4 
    2) not being aware about participating in NW5 players that were not allowed and replacing them by other players 

    Making equality between those two just blows my mind. 
    Exactly. If player cheated DURING NW, of course replacement would not be possible. 
    But this what happened here is different, team rosters were ruined and total score would not be correct. This wasn't possible to stop on time, late reaction from NG. 

    Solutions offered are more then fair - 21st in qualification is replacement, or double stars of 20th player.
    Those teams will still play with handicap, not strong as they planned to be, but at least team can continue playing. 

    And why so big deal about this? How would making teams play with less players be fair and ok? 
    First Nation Wars even had a "bench" so 21st-23rd can jump if something unpredictable happen. This of course was possible because guilds were virtual

    Whole team cannot be punished because of something they have no control of, or individual person who had no right to play. We can argue how much you want it's selfish to ask for disqualification in this case
    fearofthedarkAntoninSenninignasm4s
  • mirmir Member Posts: 257
    The most important thing is to keep everything secret 😂. 21st century, funny😃. NG solve this question😎( If you can do it)  o that everyone can draw their own conclusion🤥. @Fluxxx
  • DrunkenDrunken Member Posts: 1,726
    This whole thing is a joke. It’s been the same since beginning it really is a cool event, but the drama and the cheating and the arguing it draws will not be stopped till a firm stance is taken. 

    I had a complete blast in #4 scoring guild and not having to follow the BS or drama. Maybe next NW we will push for top 3
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