Guild War Matchmaking - base it on individual accumulation

IrishNudistIrishNudist Member Posts: 46
edited December 2021 in Guild Wars Discussion
It’s no secret that some very strong guilds will have all of their members abandon the guild once they reach a high score, and then flip their members over to a new/alternate guild mid-season in order to avoid the teams they should be facing, and slaughter lower equipped guilds.

An easy solution to this would be to track the guild war points not by the guild, but by the player.

If 20 players flip from their strong guild into a brand new guild, the accumulated points will be exactly the same level as the one they left.

”Burner Guild” problem & matchmaking solved.
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  • ATLAS-ZATLAS-Z Member Posts: 6,595
    Once upon a time I would have been opposed to this but now I think I'm okay with it. It'll prevent my lower achieving Guild members from suffering when I go big


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  • ShianShian Member Posts: 146
    How aboụ in region matching? Because i really want to beat the shit out some of the guild in my country 😁
  • FuriousMoldovanFuriousMoldovan Member Posts: 2,226
    We've had similar suggestions over and over but so far, no concrete changes.
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  • FuriousMoldovanFuriousMoldovan Member Posts: 2,226
    edited December 2021
    Posted sometime ago, it can literally prevent burner guilds and promote fair matchmaking, regardless of a guild or previous guild ranks, tied to personal scores:
    https://forums.nextgames.com/walkingdead/discussion/comment/441511/#Comment_441511
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  • Spec4Spec4 Member Posts: 3
    edited December 2021
    It’s no secret that some very strong guilds will have all of their members abandon the guild once they reach a high score, and then flip their members over to a new/alternate guild mid-season in order to avoid the teams they should be facing, and slaughter lower equipped guilds.

    An easy solution to this would be to track the guild war points not by the guild, but by the player.

    If 20 players flip from their strong guild into a brand new guild, the accumulated points will be exactly the same level as the one they left.

    ”Burner Guild” problem & matchmaking solved.
    We do that sometimes, but NOT for the reason you mention. We do it so lower players can come in and get the masters rewards. 
    I would have no problems with the points following the strong players, as long as the ALSO stay in said guild, but that would not be possible.


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  • BurmeliinisBurmeliinis Member Posts: 1,194
    I think this is a great suggestion, one which I also have promoted earlier. Many guilds have a few strong players and many not so strong players, meaning the guild only has a realistic chance of winning when the strong players play, and no chance when they don't play. This is demoralizing. 

    I guess in theory top guilds could try to manipulate the matchmaking, by letting some top players do only pvp and then have several of them build the next day's team, and then get a really easy opponent. But if enough scores are used (for example average of last 10 battles) this will become really hard and will give a quite small benefit in exchange for a lot of extra hassle.


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  • guys guys, what are you talking about?
    Star Hero in GW in past, keep it in mind when suggesting such complicated thing.
    They can do only simple or useless solutions, like soft tier rest 
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  • wmswms Member Posts: 112
    Why are we matched with London Warriors today? WORST match-up I have ever seen. They already have a player with a score very close to 1000. Two others are in the 700s. Our guild highest score today will be in the 400s. If our very best players were playing, someone might hit in the 600s. London warriors are listed 82nd in leaderboard all-time.  






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  • ghost_pepperghost_pepper Member Posts: 1,170
    The match making is a feature. It'll all even out.

    Except that it never does.
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  • Stalker20Stalker20 Member Posts: 1,262
    Tell me that matchmaking does not work without telling me that matchmaking DOES NOT WORK, sort it out @Lexia please, there has to be a better way to have properly competitive matches rather than a walkover. 
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  • ATLAS-ZATLAS-Z Member Posts: 6,595
    Beginning of a new season @Stalker20 @wms

    You will lose and they will win move up... So future rounds you're less likely to meet these teams as the VP gap grows. 

    At the beginning, no one has VP, so weaker teams can meet stronger teams. 

    It's not perfect, but not the worst. 

    Personally I'd rather see all teams reset to bronze. 


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  • Knightmare65Knightmare65 Member Posts: 106
    Match making in this game is broken. My guild has been getting mis matched with really stronger guilds the last few series. Its discouraging our players to participate. Next Games needs to fix this immediately.  At least its not happening to just us, it seems its happening with many other guilds too.
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  • relb67relb67 Member Posts: 238
    Gosh you guys are right on our training guild which mind you has members level 30 40 55 got Match with a guild. That got 800 700 650 and so on great matchup great motivated for the team I don’t get it either 
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  • ATLAS-ZATLAS-Z Member Posts: 6,595
    No matchmaking is perfect.

    The worse your guild is, the more your will lose. 

    If you only let the bottom crappiest guilds battle each other for supremacy of crap, some of them are going to win WAY more than they should and as a result get more Rewards than guilds stronger than them. How's that fair? 

    I'm really tired of this whining. It's (expletive) exhausting and frankly kind of pathetic. 

    Stop sucking. Get stronger. Win more. 


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  • NoiseratingNoiserating Member Posts: 181
    Do we know how the actual matchmaking is done? By level of players? By last Guild scores on previous Season?
  • Stalker20Stalker20 Member Posts: 1,262
    @ATLAS-Z there must be better ways of matchmaking, make it reactive to the previous weeks average scores so teams of ten that score 10k+ and 7k respectively won't be matched up.
    BTW it's not whining, it's asking for a fair fight 😉
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  • Firequeen76Firequeen76 Member Posts: 7
    One of our lower guilds where people are training up is constantly being outmatched by a much higher guild that really isn’t even in our playing bracket. I don’t think it’s fair that we should constantly have to play up against such higher teams. So I agree that Gilgr matchmaking should be looked at. 
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  • ATLAS-ZATLAS-Z Member Posts: 6,595
    edited July 6
    Last season my Elite guild every match did the hardest sectors/islands either went perfect max score or very close to perfect with maybe 1 retry.

    Perfect and we Draw a tie, close to perfect and we'd lose. 

    In fact we lost almost 50% of time by tiny amounts... Since our opponents were almost always perfect. 

    So when weak guilds complain about match making and losing, i find it hard to care when my Elite team is losing so often by so little. 


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  • NoiseratingNoiserating Member Posts: 181
    ATLAS-Z said:
    Last season my Elite guild every match did the hardest sectors/islands either went perfect max score or very close to perfect with maybe 1 retry.

    Perfect and we Draw a tie, close to perfect and we'd lose. 

    In fact we lost almost 50% of time by tiny amounts... Since our opponents were almost always perfect. 

    So when weak guilds complain about match making and losing, i find it hard to care when my Elite team is losing so often by so little. 
    At least you have a chance to win each time you face your opponent, if you loose 50% of the time, it's because at least 50% of the time someone of your team use Redgas or have lost a sword. So it's fair. 

    I understand that this is demotivating when small Guild face opponents where they have no chance to win.
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  • ATLAS-ZATLAS-Z Member Posts: 6,595
    @Noiserating even so, i would love to see those record of win vs loss. If they are losing every match then I will agree. 


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  • GovernatorGovernator Member Posts: 4,687
    I think it would be interesting to see how matchmaking would work if was based on Team Player Level Total instead of the Guild Wars Tier. Squad size can still be a factor.

    For example, a GW Team of 4 with the following Player Levels could be:
    Player 1: PL 50
    Player 2: PL 60
    Player 3: PL 60
    Player 4: PL 70
    Total PL: 240

    Then, match this team with any other 4-person squad that totals the same Player Level Total of 240 (or as close to it as possible). That would seem a bit more fair than having the same 4-person team run up against 4 max-level players just because they are in the same tier.

    Just a thought...
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  • Stalker20Stalker20 Member Posts: 1,262
    There must be a way of gathering information for average gw scores and putting those into the matching database, if matchmaking worked properly there should be no swing in scores bigger than + - 10%. No good saying it will even out over a season when you have literally no chance of getting the 1.5 win bonus for the first war or two. 
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  • Singer01Singer01 Member Posts: 145
    Yet another cock up..
    Dead Rising was Master Tier at the end of last guild wars..
    Now, we have been relegated to Bronze 3.. How does that work..
    Is it another bug????
    Has anyone else been relegated or put into the wrong tier system???
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  • MuirnaMuirna Member Posts: 181
    Singer01 said:
    Yet another cock up..
    Dead Rising was Master Tier at the end of last guild wars..
    Now, we have been relegated to Bronze 3.. How does that work..
    Is it another bug????
    Has anyone else been relegated or put into the wrong tier system???
    @Lexia @Fluxxx
    Yes, you were not alone in this. I messaged support asking them to restore our lost VP, and they are looking into it.
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