Carl’s NearlyEye Pistol

BenjaminTBenjaminT Member Posts: 501
edited December 2022 in Guild Wars Discussion
Hi @Lexia and NML community

Can we have a chat about the infused Carl’s Deadeye Pistol from the new GW shop? It’s one trait away from being the perfect PvP weapon for shooters (and also a brilliant weapon for defenders) but without that one trait changed it ends up middling into a confused gun with no real clear use or function. Range matters for PvP, and gold High Powered would make all the difference here. Whereas Ensnare on a PvP weapon seems of little consequence when Interrupt is already in the weapon.

But if this was for PvZs then Ensnare without Piercing doesn’t make a lot of sense to me. Assault and hunter weapons? Yes! The Harrier is a fantastic example of this. But for single target weapons it doesn’t stack up to be worthwhile. 

The coveted and highly anticipated spot in the GW shop of the high end infused weapon is something the whole community looks forward to and in recent shops you’ve been smashing it. The very least anyone could say about Dale’s Rifle, ROAR, Saviour Handgun and Harrier is that they’re very, very good weapons. Carl’s Deadeye Pistol is one trait away from that tier but as it is, kinda seems more like a collector’s item?

It’s not too late to change it. If there’s enough support from the community will you guys consider swapping Gold Ensnare for Gold High Powered? 


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  • BenjaminTBenjaminT Member Posts: 501
    I don’t mind about the silencer. If you can only change one thing please leave the silencer as it is  :D
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  • ZXerZXer Member Posts: 286
    edited December 2022
    +1

    2 things wrong in this picture:

    1. Ensnare on non-piercing pistol. It's OK last time around on the Harrier because it's also got cripple (i.e., it cripples on normal attack, chance of ensnare or CA on charged attack). But it doesn't make much sense here.

    2. I do mind the silencer. Why put a silencer on a non silent pistol?
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  • sharkysharky Member Posts: 1
    edited December 2022
    +1 Here

    Mahoosive silencer on a non silenced weapon is just.. well wrong  :)

    The weapon as it stands makes no sense, please change to Gold High Powered

    Go on , please. i have never asked for anything before.. it is Christmas after all
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  • ShadowWalkerShadowWalker Member Posts: 1,209
    edited December 2022
    Correct me if I am wrong, but if you are talking about using this weapon for PvP then do you really need Piercing? It's not like we are facing lv 40+ enemies where body shots are 100% guaranteed. I have a defensive shooter that I use, who is typically equipped with an Incendiary weapon (no piercing), and I don't notice body shots that often.

    I agree though, ideally Ensnare should be with Piercing (which is something I asked for in the wishlist :disappointed: ), or Ensnare should be replaced with Gold High Powered. Weapons with those trait combos would be useful even outside of PVP.
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  • ATLAS-ZATLAS-Z Member Posts: 6,756
    Correct me if I am wrong, but if you are talking about using this weapon for PvP then do you really need Piercing? It's not like we are facing lv 40+ enemies where body shots are 100% guaranteed. I have a defensive shooter that I use, who is typically equipped with an Incendiary weapon (no piercing), and I don't notice body shots that often.

    I agree though, ideally Ensnare should be with Piercing (which is something I asked for in the wishlist :disappointed: ), or Ensnare should be replaced with Gold High Powered. Weapons with those trait combos would be useful even outside of PVP.

    This was my thought as well regarding pvp. You don't need/want piercing for PVP. There's no point. 


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  • ATLAS-ZATLAS-Z Member Posts: 6,756
    @arqbs maybe can shed some light why he requested this weapon? 


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  • ZXerZXer Member Posts: 286
    Correct me if I am wrong, but if you are talking about using this weapon for PvP then do you really need Piercing? It's not like we are facing lv 40+ enemies where body shots are 100% guaranteed. I have a defensive shooter that I use, who is typically equipped with an Incendiary weapon (no piercing), and I don't notice body shots that often.

    I agree though, ideally Ensnare should be with Piercing (which is something I asked for in the wishlist :disappointed: ), or Ensnare should be replaced with Gold High Powered. Weapons with those trait combos would be useful even outside of PVP.
    Dale’s and harriers and the savior are useful for both PvP and pvz. 

    But the way it is right now, the ensnare is kinda useless. Without high powered it’s quite useless for PvP, and without piercing it’s absolutely useless for pvz

    so nothing interesting about it 
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  • ATLAS-ZATLAS-Z Member Posts: 6,756
    edited December 2022
    Well I'm not disagreeing, but I'm going to get it anyway and find out. Might be a place for interrupt burn with a crit root option. 


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  • BenjaminTBenjaminT Member Posts: 501
    edited December 2022
    Correct me if I am wrong, but if you are talking about using this weapon for PvP then do you really need Piercing? It's not like we are facing lv 40+ enemies where body shots are 100% guaranteed. I have a defensive shooter that I use, who is typically equipped with an Incendiary weapon (no piercing), and I don't notice body shots that often.
    I totally agree with this point, I don’t think putting Piercing on this gun would make anyone very happy, it’d be a ‘meh’ weapon. I can’t speak for anyone else but what I’m asking NG to consider is taking Ensnare off this gun and replacing it with High Powered.

    Fire, High Powered, Interrupt, Lucky would be a great weapon

    ATLAS-Z said:
    Correct me if I am wrong, but if you are talking about using this weapon for PvP then do you really need Piercing? It's not like we are facing lv 40+ enemies where body shots are 100% guaranteed. I have a defensive shooter that I use, who is typically equipped with an Incendiary weapon (no piercing), and I don't notice body shots that often.

    I agree though, ideally Ensnare should be with Piercing (which is something I asked for in the wishlist :disappointed: ), or Ensnare should be replaced with Gold High Powered. Weapons with those trait combos would be useful even outside of PVP.

    This was my thought as well regarding pvp. You don't need/want piercing for PVP. There's no point. 

    I’m not sure I understand where you guys are reading anyone wanting Piercing on this weapon from. 
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  • ATLAS-ZATLAS-Z Member Posts: 6,756
    BenjaminT said:
    ... It’s one trait away from being the perfect PvP weapon for shooters (and also a brilliant weapon for defenders) but without that one trait changed it ends up middling into a confused gun with no real clear use or function. Ensnare on a shooter weapon without Piercing doesn’t make a lot of sense to me.


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  • zbotzbot NML Legendary Moderator, OW Moderator Posts: 7,950
    @BenjaminT from previous experience once a event goes live no changes are made.
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  • BenjaminTBenjaminT Member Posts: 501
    edited December 2022
    ATLAS-Z said:
    BenjaminT said:
    ... It’s one trait away from being the perfect PvP weapon for shooters (and also a brilliant weapon for defenders) but without that one trait changed it ends up middling into a confused gun with no real clear use or function. Ensnare on a shooter weapon without Piercing doesn’t make a lot of sense to me.


    Maybe ☝️ 🤷

    Hmm… maybe. I’m not sure I’m quite seeing a request to put Piercing on this weapon though. There was a bit more on the end of this paragraph originally that I hope would’ve made the intention clearer.

    But on the off chance that anyone might misconstrue the intention here hopefully the final paragraph would clear up any confusion…
    It’s not too late to change it. If there’s enough support from the community will you guys consider swapping Gold Ensnare for Gold High Powered? 
  • BenjaminTBenjaminT Member Posts: 501
    zbot said:
    @BenjaminT from previous experience once a event goes live no changes are made.
    How many ‘Agrees’ would the thread need before we could get NG’s attention? Do you think they might agree to a benchmark for agrees meaning they agree to change it?
  • ATLAS-ZATLAS-Z Member Posts: 6,756
    I'll give you an agree, cuz you're an OK dude
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  • BenjaminTBenjaminT Member Posts: 501
    ATLAS-Z said:
    I'll give you an agree, cuz you're an OK dude
    👌😉
    I’ll take it, because you’re an NML hero  :)
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  • FuriousMoldovanFuriousMoldovan Member Posts: 2,296
    zbot said:
    @BenjaminT from previous experience once a event goes live no changes are made.

    Negative, we had a precedent before.
    Slightly different situation but was changed after guild shop went live :smile:
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  • ShadowWalkerShadowWalker Member Posts: 1,209
    edited December 2022
    ZXer said:
    Correct me if I am wrong, but if you are talking about using this weapon for PvP then do you really need Piercing? It's not like we are facing lv 40+ enemies where body shots are 100% guaranteed. I have a defensive shooter that I use, who is typically equipped with an Incendiary weapon (no piercing), and I don't notice body shots that often.

    I agree though, ideally Ensnare should be with Piercing (which is something I asked for in the wishlist :disappointed: ), or Ensnare should be replaced with Gold High Powered. Weapons with those trait combos would be useful even outside of PVP.
    Dale’s and harriers and the savior are useful for both PvP and pvz. 

    But the way it is right now, the ensnare is kinda useless. Without high powered it’s quite useless for PvP, and without piercing it’s absolutely useless for pvz

    so nothing interesting about it 
    Oh, I agree with all that. I was just wondering, in a general sense, if Piercing is really needed on an Ensnare weapon if it's purpose is to be used in PvP.

    OP did say:

    BenjaminT said:
    It’s one trait away from being the perfect PvP weapon for shooters (and also a brilliant weapon for defenders) but without that one trait changed it ends up middling into a confused gun with no real clear use or function. Ensnare on a shooter weapon without Piercing doesn’t make a lot of sense to me. 

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  • ATLAS-ZATLAS-Z Member Posts: 6,756
    edited December 2022
    ZXer said:
    Correct me if I am wrong, but if you are talking about using this weapon for PvP then do you really need Piercing? It's not like we are facing lv 40+ enemies where body shots are 100% guaranteed. I have a defensive shooter that I use, who is typically equipped with an Incendiary weapon (no piercing), and I don't notice body shots that often.

    I agree though, ideally Ensnare should be with Piercing (which is something I asked for in the wishlist :disappointed: ), or Ensnare should be replaced with Gold High Powered. Weapons with those trait combos would be useful even outside of PVP.
    Dale’s and harriers and the savior are useful for both PvP and pvz. 

    But the way it is right now, the ensnare is kinda useless. Without high powered it’s quite useless for PvP, and without piercing it’s absolutely useless for pvz

    so nothing interesting about it 
    Oh, I agree with all that. I was just wondering, in a general sense, if Piercing is really needed on an Ensnare weapon if it's purpose is to be used in PvP.

    OP did say:

    BenjaminT said:
    It’s one trait away from being the perfect PvP weapon for shooters (and also a brilliant weapon for defenders) but without that one trait changed it ends up middling into a confused gun with no real clear use or function. Ensnare on a shooter weapon without Piercing doesn’t make a lot of sense to me. 


    Brilliant insight again from he who walks in shadows... 

    So that would mean the only thing you could afford to sacrifice (to get your High Powered) would be... Lucky?

    Not willing to lose Interrupt, as it's the only thing that makes this weapon a bit different (and able to stop CW walkers).

    I mean, what is everyone's plan for when a CW starts right next to you in GWs? Chuck flare every time? 


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  • ShadowWalkerShadowWalker Member Posts: 1,209
    My plan is to complain to NG until they change CWW three times like they did fast walkers :smirk:
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  • BenjaminTBenjaminT Member Posts: 501
    It’s one trait away from being the perfect PvP weapon for shooters (and also a brilliant weapon for defenders) but without that one trait changed it ends up middling into a confused gun with no real clear use or function. Ensnare on a shooter weapon without Piercing doesn’t make a lot of sense to me.
    I think I ought to rewrite this bit as it might be causing some confusion. I never meant to imply the one trait missing is Piercing. Even if you add Piercing to this it’ll still be pretty uninspiring, I think.

    So to clarify, I only ever meant High Powered as the missing trait. Get rid of Ensnare and replace it with High Powered and this becomes a very interesting shooter weapon.
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  • arqbsarqbs Member Posts: 52
    ATLAS-Z said:
    @arqbs maybe can shed some light why he requested this weapon? 
    Of course, I can clarify yes!
    My thought was solely and exclusively on having a good weapon for defense!
    But I believed they would keep the silencer on her, along with luck as infused talent!
    but the most important thing for us players is to know that NG is keeping an eye on our requests, that was clear!

    So simply ENJOY!
    Because it could be a simply horrible weapon....and we get an option to use it! I see it that way!

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  • BenjaminTBenjaminT Member Posts: 501
    Any thoughts @Lexia?
  • ATLAS-ZATLAS-Z Member Posts: 6,756
    I get that it's crap, or at least that the majority think it will be. And I also get that once upon a time we did convince them to change something else that was crap. But they've held pretty strong to their not changing crap to non crap based on player input since then. And if they hold strong on this one then the result will likely be that on future crap gear we will not be begging them again. Or at least not as much.


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  • BenjaminTBenjaminT Member Posts: 501
    ATLAS-Z said:
    I get that it's crap, or at least that the majority think it will be. And I also get that once upon a time we did convince them to change something else that was crap. But they've held pretty strong to their not changing crap to non crap based on player input since then. And if they hold strong on this one then the result will likely be that on future crap gear we will not be begging them again. Or at least not as much.
    I think we’ve lost this battle, but hopefully the dialogue has been helpful. Constructive communication between developers and players can only be helpful for future ideas, right? I’d guess the developers are also players and have their own thoughts on moving the game forward, there’s probably as much debate between them as there is among the player base. I don’t expect their intention is always to make the best and most powerful weapon possible, the game would soon get boring and ridiculous if they were doing that. But their goal, I would guess, is more aligned to doing things which are interesting. And on that front I’d say they’re incredibly successful.

    You’ve won this one, developers! But I doubt you’d even want to beat us into submission entirely.

    Here’s to the next round, see you soon  <3
  • BenjaminTBenjaminT Member Posts: 501
    Maybe there’s a plan to release the Scoped 9mm with Lucky/Interrupt/Incendiary
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  • SkywithinSkywithin Member Posts: 57
    The only use this gun has is to stop commonwealth walkers in "fish in a barrel" which start 1 space away.
  • RyoRyo Member Posts: 4
    edited January 9
    Well at least I'm not the only one who thought this thing was not worthy of buying. Now it if had High Power.. I'd get it.

    BTW in real life suppressed firearms are very loud still.. just ear safe.. and even then, the big calibers still need to wear hearing protection. Only thing that is movie quiet is the 22LR.
  • FuriousMoldovanFuriousMoldovan Member Posts: 2,296
    I found a use for it - equipped on Haggie on Ambush map last week 😂
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