Game's actually getting worse instead of better!

I've been playing this game since it came out and I gotta say it's broken ALOT of promises to get better. The game is almost impossible to play now without spending a ton of money because everything has gotten so damned expensive. Like to upgrade to my next level of weapons upgrade tent it is going to cost me 2.4 million tomatoes, which is absolutely ridiculous. My radio tower gave me better characters when the game first came out too. It made the promise that if you upgraded your tower you would get better players and that actually used to be the case but now all it seems to be dishing out is one and two star characters, even when you use 5 or 15 radios at a time and you are supposed to be guaranteed a certain level and rank of character when you use a specific number of radios. Now it seems like anymore you have to buy the radios when they come out in the bundle packages because free radios are few and far between nowadays and if you are lucky enough to get one you can bet money it's only going to give you a 1 star player, every time. Like I said when I first started playing and up until a few months ago you could actually get a decent player from just one radio. I got several rare and epic by just using one radio at a time, I even got lucky a few times and got a legendary or two. Now you're lucky to get an uncommon even when you use 5 or 15 radios. Congratulations to whoever came up with this game because someone is making a huge amount of money hand over fist. You no longer can do anything in the game without spending money. The cost of upgrades is completely unrealistic. All of the updates make it sound like we the players will benefit from them but ultimately it's the game designers/owners who are really benefiting from these so called "upgrades". I believe it would help out a lot if our characters got leveled up automatically based on the number of missions they were used in, instead of having to pay 500k xp and waiting 24 hours just to go up one level. You guys need to do something about how expensive this game is getting to be to play and fast. Not too many people have the money to keep up with the unreasonable expectations of this game to level up characters, councils, radio towers, training grounds and weapons, no matter how much fun it may be to play. Please make some positive changes for us, the players not just "weekend specials" but make some positive permenant changes and make the game a little more realistic to be able to play without having to break the bank.
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  • JewishJewish Member Posts: 160
    I hear what you're saying but I have spent a total of £6.28 on this game and my camp is fully leveled apart from some farms and all my survivors are level 17 apart from my legendary assault who I got from 1 radio last week.

    I do agree that there has been many problems with the game. But in my opinion, this game is just as much about managing resources and decision making as it is about killing zombies.

    If it was quick and easy to level up then what would be the point? It would get boring quick.

    Would like to note I'm no interested in having an argument with any one about my opinion. Just wanted to give it
    Survivor420
  • Neil_JNeil_J Member Posts: 1,873
    edited April 2016
    I'm with you @Jewish .
    What's the hurry to update everything immediately???

    Part of the fun is building towards upgrading, and then again, don't you appreciate things that you have to work towards?

    Patience, @kellybell19 , is a virtue, as they say.
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  • AmigaAmiga Member Posts: 3,770
    I can say one sentence... Good luck with new update. Especially lvl 18 gear update... Especially with lvl 21 ;)) before you do it take $10 from pocket.
    http://forums.nextgames.com/walkingdead/discussion/8847/epic-fail-lvl-21-gear-1-85-mil-xp-xp-cap-1-25-xp#latest
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  • kellybell19kellybell19 Member Posts: 3
    I'm not in a hurry to update everything immediately @Neil_J, everything on my board is leveled up as high as it can go with the exception of a farm or two. It's just frustrating to only be able to play for 15 or 20 minutes then have to wait for 2 hours while your players heal, so what do you have to do to fix that? Buy gold.
    Maybe it's just the luck of the draw but I haven't gotten a free phone in almost two weeks, so what do I have to do to get more or even better players? Buy phones.
    The players cost soooo many xp to level up and to have any chance in the episodes of beating them you need higher level players and as I said before having 3 or 4 players that it takes over 300k to level up sometimes you have to buy gold to do that, otherwise it would take weeks to do.
    When I play, I like to play just as some people like to sit down and play League of Ledgends, W.O.W. or mine craft on their computer. I don't want to just only be able to play for 15 minutes then have to wait for 2 hours for my players to recover. When I play I like to PLAY not piddle around. And unfortunately the only way to do that is to have to buy gold or radio bundles. And then when I do buy the radio bundles, spend 15 at a time to get the better players we're supposedly guaranteed only to get a 2 star player. It's just very frustrating. As I've said, I have been playing this game since it came out and it's only been in just the last few months that I've had to start spending money and in my opinion when the game first came out it was better because you were getting rare, epic and ledgendery(sp?) players with a single phone. Now I'm lucky to get an uncommon player cashing in 15 phones. It just doesn't seem right to me is all.
    Maybe they need to make a larger version of the game, one you could play like League for the one's of us who are diehard fans of the game that want to play for a few hours at a time instead of 15 minutes. That would be fun, then I wouldn't have to buy gold to heal my players all the time to keep playing.
    SwtdstnyMissSFX
  • kellybell19kellybell19 Member Posts: 3
    edited April 2016
    Just wanna say thanks guys to all of you who responded. It's greatly appreciated to have a sounding board and get feedback that's positive not rude or negative. You're right @Neil_J ... Patience is a virtue.... but I wanna play :smiley: ..not tinker :disappointed: . :wink:
    Survivor420ggbats
  • bumshoebumshoe Member Posts: 322
    I disagree with pretty much your whole statement. Your top level and it takes a lot to progress as with anything including real life situations.

    You don't have to spend money to get stuff. In fact i think it's the opposite. Movie help out. Events help out which are new all the time and stuff is being added constantly.

    I have never gotten a 1* from 15 radio calls. And radios are not that bad to come by if you save for the events generally have 100-150 for the event when it rolls around.
    When soft cap comes I quit the game.
  • Shut_UpShut_Up Member Posts: 2,295
    Radios are not that hard to come by. If you use all the gas given to you by NG and your mission car is appropriate for how much exploratory missions cost in gas then between doing missions, challenges, daily quest rewards, and shooting fence walker you can easily build your radios. Don't be afraid of deadly missions.
  • CapletonCapleton Member Posts: 441
    When I started this game last year I hoped there would be regular story mission updates to keep me interested.

    And 'back in the days' there was a new episode/content with almost every update.
    But obviously NG had some meetings and decided to push this game in a different direction.

    So better build up your Outposts...obviously center of attention nowadays.
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  • theRealBendertheRealBender Member Posts: 1,251
    I do understand being more generous when your game is new - and it sheds light on NG's inexperience. Difficult situation when needed changes are unfavorable to players' equity.
    * I put "hero" and "heroes" in quotes for a reason.
    ** Still on a spending boycott of equipment and gas booster and gold.
  • AmigaAmiga Member Posts: 3,770
    My time with game dropped drastically with newest update. Previously I played regularly now occasionally. Reason is one - game balance. Especially XP grinding and XP upgrading cost.
    From other side now I have more time for other things which is good ;))) thank you NG for that.
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  • Conan1976Conan1976 Member Posts: 758
    I Think the game economy is quite good, there is one rather big flaw: XP

    I have been playing for about four to five months now, and at lvl 47. To up a player tot lvl 18 is not the big problem because you can easily farm 250 K of XP per day on the deadly missions. Tomatoes takes some time but it can be done, takes some patience.

    But the new lvl 21 gear is ridiculous, costing 1.8 MIO for only the last upgrade to 21. I am in a guild that 3600 - 3800 stars per challenge (NL united) and even if I spent al my TG on golden crates for extra XP it would still take 2 weeks to get only one piece of equipment to lvl 21. Using 4 survivors x 2 pieces of gear x 2 weeks = 16 weeks of grinding XP....

    Maybe NG does not want us to use the lvl 21 gear ;-)

    what I DO like is the amount of free gold they give you. Allows us to fill up some extra full tanks per week.
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  • AmigaAmiga Member Posts: 3,770
    @Conan1976
    They changed yesterday cost of lvl 21 upgrade. Now it's around 1kkk.
    XP balance still sucks. Reasons:
    - Silly amount from scrapping upgraded gear worth 1.5kkk
    - XP exploration map guaranteed reward silly low

    We can store 144 pieces of gear but fully upgrade only few because of high upgrade cost compare to gridded XP.
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  • Conan1976Conan1976 Member Posts: 758
    @Amiga

    sorry, to up gear costs 1 MIO to get from lvl 21 to 21? If I remember correct it used to be 900 K to upgrade from 19 to 21? So they more ore less leveled that?

    It would be more fair to get more XP back if you scrap an upgraded item like with your survivors but I know that also had been suggested a few times before ;-)
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  • AmigaAmiga Member Posts: 3,770
    edited April 2016
    It was suggested million times...
    I understand high cost of survivor training because we don't change them often. But gear is different story. Why we keep one fully upgraded Gear for weeks? because of milions upgrade cost! Nobody can afford to change it often..
    Shame. Tons of useless gear in stock just waiting for better times...
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  • Conan1976Conan1976 Member Posts: 758
    @Amiga

    sorry, to up gear costs 1 MIO to get from lvl 21 to 21? If I remember correct it used to be 900 K to upgrade from 19 to 21? So they more ore less leveled that?
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  • capibaracapibara Member Posts: 5,721
    edited April 2016

    I've been playing this game since it came out and I gotta say it's broken ALOT of promises to get better. The game is almost impossible to play now without spending a ton of money because everything has gotten so damned expensive.

    I disagree. Capi never spent a cent!
    And i still have fun.
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  • eetueetu Member Posts: 637
    Conan1976 said:


    It would be more fair to get more XP back if you scrap an upgraded item like with your survivors

    This will be in the next major client update (1.8.2 and 1.8.3 were bugfix updates)
    ggbatsOneLessTitanlmfgunnut
  • AmigaAmiga Member Posts: 3,770
    edited April 2016
    @eetu
    Wohaaa finally something serious coming ;))
    Can't wait. Any ETA for this update? days, weeks, months?
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    ggbats
  • Conan1976Conan1976 Member Posts: 758
    @eetu

    Great news!! Thanx!!
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  • LadyAquilaLadyAquila Member Posts: 625
    Thanks for the update @eetu! That is great news!
  • ggbatsggbats Member Posts: 210
    Woo hoo! When?
  • MissSFXMissSFX Member Posts: 177
    I have been playing since January, I still haven't pulled a legendary survivor. I always use 15 radios, and like you even though it says min level of 3-5 stars I pull 2 star?!?!

    I don't like the whole new focus on outposts, it's really not for me I prefer challenges and story missions. Neither are being improved at the minute.

    It's such a shame cos I love this game but I am constantly being disheartened by the bugs, roll backs, lack of compensation and the huge amounts of resources the higher up you get to upgrade.

    Pls NG lets get this game going back in the right direction before you lose your loyal players
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  • tammytammy Member Posts: 1,716
    I have to wonder if any of you have played other games...progress in these games is scaled...when you start, things happen quickly of course cos you are working at a low level...as you progress it gets harder and takes longer....I don't ever aim to "finish" a game and I'd get no satisfaction if everything was easy to obtain...

    I have two IDs playing this game...one I spend on...the other I don't...with my main I spend because I'm in a very competitive guild and I'm not very brilliant at playing...spending helps me keep up...with my alt I'm focused on growing and it's coming along well...if you do enough challenges and missions you will get radios to save for events...x15 radios for one call is a lot but it pays off in the end...

    No game I've played is without fault and NG is a new developer/company so they are learning as they go...but I love the game so much I'm happy to stay with them for the journey... :)

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  • FormerlyFormerly Member Posts: 5
    Jelly, I think an appropriate post would have read, "I love games that are just as disappointing as real life." Please make the recommended edits immediately, and then pull the ripcord.
    SlickRick
  • DtownDtown Member Posts: 46
    My counsel just cost me 920k to upgrade and it took me like 3 or 4 days so 2.5 mil is like 10 days why complain ur at the end of the game if u made it that far why complain now
    MomofSnolpe
  • OneLessTitanOneLessTitan Member Posts: 1,273
    I don't think the game has gotten worse. Sure, when you first start, everything is new and shiny, and there is so much to do and upgrade. The episodes and missions are the main focus, so there seems to be clear goals.

    As you advance, there seems to be some issues for me. I wanted to do things other than episode/exploratory missions, so started playing guild missions. With the limited gas, playing guild challenges hurt the progress of building up my camp.

    Also, as you reach the the upper-mid levels (30-45), a dilemma was created for me. Do I bother trying to upgrade equipment/survivors that I will soon outgrow? Or do I just wait until I'm maxed out and can get the best "return" on my resources. I'm at level 45, and am still debating how to proceed as I slowly approach the the "endgame".

    I really like the outposts; once the rewards are tweaked, I think it'll be great. It's fun to raid and have more diversity in missions. I just wish I could play all of the guild/raids/episodes missions at the same time; without having to ignore one or two game aspects because I don't have enough gas.

    Even though there are some issues, I still enjoy this game a ton. The only other app I've played for a long time has been Simpsons tapped out; I'm a huge fan of the older Simpsons sodes, but that game isn't exactly fun to play. I love the actual "combat" aspect of this game.

    All in all, great game. It's not getting worse for me, even if I'd like some tweaks.

    @eetu -- do you think the the radio tent modifications will be introduced before/after/simultaneously with the XP upgrades?
    Survivor420
  • KillMeNowPlsKillMeNowPls Member Posts: 15
    Progress is slow in the game... need to heal? wait or pay
    Need to level a character: do a bunch of mission or pay
    Need to build a building? do a bunch of missions or pay or do a bunch of mission and pay for gas
    Need to do guild challenges? use gas naturally, or pay

    The devs need a revenue stream.

    The players who want free... well they just have to wait.

    The radios: Random Number Generation means random. That means really bad quality survivors are the normal roll. Want better survivors? pay for more chances (and have good luck). You're buying chances here... like a lottery. And like a lottery, the top end prizes are few and far between.

    Re: getting a lower star survivor on a 15 radio call... are you sure you didn't brush the call 1 button by accident? Touch sensitive screen can screw up sometimes.

    Aren't Deadly Missions disabled in 2016? I don't understand all this talk about Deadly MIssions... unless the posts are from last year, since years are not visible on this forum for posts.


  • KillMeNowPlsKillMeNowPls Member Posts: 15
    Oh. I forgot to say: Free players are also important to the game. You need a minimum amount of players to make the game fun. Without free players, the game economy collapses... too many free players... and the devs starve.

    Starving devs close out games...
    Survivor420
  • GreenBalloonGreenBalloon Member Posts: 316
    Players are actually more likely to spend if they aren't feeling coerced to do so. I spend on other games, and spent some here when it was new. Never again. They've ignored reasonable change requests from players and only become greedier. They won't starve, but they won't have a game much longer, either. They're driving away their fan driven player base and relying on the limited number of regular spenders. That's a very short term plan given the massive amount of money laid out for licensing: gamesindustry.biz/articles/2016-03-11-next-games-right-license-right-partner-right-result

    Staying player friendly would have been the way to go. "Give us your money" weekend events are not the way to sustainability.
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