The divide starts today...

OneLessTitan · May 2016

....between free and paying players. IMO, the new Unlimited Gas and Double XP IAPs are priced pretty great; they are going to sell a ton of them! and I'm sure there will be many people that buy one or both of them daily or a few times a week.

Sure, you could pay gold to fill up your gas tank before or speed things up before, but the value of these IAPs seems pretty amazing for the advantage you can gain. Now, people can buy unlimited gas for $2 USD, and easily max out ther supplies if they want to play all day. The gold people were using to buy gas refills will go towards building speed ups, hospital heal times, and unlocking gold crates after missions. There will be more people with crazy challenge star counts.

This is a genius business plan by NG IMO! Sure, the free players can still compete since getting awesome equipment is still tough after missions and radio calls are the other factor that is truly important in this game, but the increased volume of chances at getting the awesome equipment will help paying players, not to mention they will be getting significantly more radios than the free players from the increased volume of crate rewards that they are opening. Not to mention the double XP IAP will help make it much cheaper to quickly level up survivors and gear.

Do I think there is anything wrong with this? Absolutely not. Like I said, I think this is a genius business move by NG, and people who pay $ should get a nice advantage; those advantages seem to have gotten a lot cheaper now!

Amiga · May 2016

I was thinking many weeks ago about similar thing. It is good and I like it.
Now NG please offer bundles for low price like Amazing One.

_Fenrir_ · May 2016

You're right... People who already bought something will find these prices fair and will continue to buy a lot... but Imo (as a free to play player) the price for the 24h gas is still too high... A price from 0.49€ to 0.99€ would be fair... We are talking about the possibility to play continuously without worrying for 24h..cmon...

GreenBalloon · May 2016

The game was developed, licensed and marketed as FtP, so those players need to be able to enjoy actual rewards from game play and earned gold and not just cash. Moving the goalposts on players in a game is a crappy thing to do. They either are what they say, or they're not. I have zero issues with paying players purchasing add-ons, none whatsoever. But when we're talking about things like XP, which had been an issue from day one, then this sits wrong esp since the cost of upgrades hasn't been addressed. I think it's totally fair for the gas to be a paid bonus if they were to drop the refill times to 5min across the board. The paying base would still buy the bonus, but the FtP players wouldn't be left out of the game for so long waiting for refills.

Deathwish · May 2016

GreenBalloon said:
The game was developed, licensed and marketed as FtP, so those players need to be able to enjoy actual rewards from game play and earned gold and not just cash. Moving the goalposts on players in a game is a crappy thing to do. They either are what they say, or they're not. I have zero issues with paying players purchasing add-ons, none whatsoever. But when we're talking about things like XP, which had been an issue from day one, then this sits wrong esp since the cost of upgrades hasn't been addressed. I think it's totally fair for the gas to be a paid bonus if they were to drop the refill times to 5min across the board. The paying base would still buy the bonus, but the FtP players wouldn't be left out of the game for so long waiting for refills.

Agreed. I don't have a lot of time to play due to real life restrictions so this will just further that gap between me and the ones who are paying. It is always about the $$$$ in the end. Oh well, now maybe I can finally uninstall this game and quit.

Verbaub · May 2016

I think y'all raise really good points here about the balance of the playing field.
I'm wondering what you think - if they offered those boosters for gold and/or cash, would that be better?

General_Pain · May 2016

OP I see your point. Even if normal players spend 3 bucks on a booster once a week that won't be bad. I guess more boosters will be bought during the weekend as that's when players have more free time to play. Yes both players and NG benefit this. I got 500k in the past 4h tnx to the XP boost! On top of that I managed to get a lv 19 Assault from my first radio call from the new system.

I personally would invest in these bosters than the gold and bundle packs.

At the end of the day we asked for XP and Gas changes and I think they did pretty well on bringing us these options!

Japes87 · May 2016

The price of the unlimited gas actually staggered me , being a player that buys quite a bit of gas towards the ends of challenges , this will actually save me a lot of real money (8-9 gas a pop to take advantage of the unlimited star levels gets crazy expensive very fast) .. the xp boost is a bonus too. Well said @OneLessTitan

Ovidmikel · May 2016

Gas an xp prices are awesome thanks ng

DoTak · May 2016

Personally, I don't really understand this competition thing that supposedly exists between Ftp and Ptp players. I guess it's all about challenge & outpost leaderboards, which I pay no attention to. Fair enough for those that do.

The fact that other players out there are paying tons of money and finding/upgrading better gear and survivors than me has zero impact on my own game. I would change my tune if we had to enter an arena and go full PvP in a death match. I am NOT a Ftp, btw, more of a moderate Ptp

OneLessTitan · May 2016

Verbaub said:
I think y'all raise really good points here about the balance of the playing field.
I'm wondering what you think - if they offered those boosters for gold and/or cash, would that be better?

@Verbaub -- Personally, I'd love to see something useful to be available for Gold, other than Survivor Slots. However, from NG's perspective, I understand why they sell things for $$. In most games I've played, there are dishonest people who can modify the code, or get workarounds that allow for free currencies, so selling things for $$ is the only way to ensure that NG gets paid for their items. It's a smart business move that I completely understand.

@GreenBalloon -- I really agree with your point about the reduced gas times for free players; I've been a big supporter of the idea that the Mission Car should work like the Hospital: every upgrade to the Mission Car reduces the Gas Refill Time. I would love it to max (or minimize) at 5 minutes, but any reduction would be welcomed. I want to play your game a lot!

GreenBalloon · May 2016

Verbaub said:
I think y'all raise really good points here about the balance of the playing field.
I'm wondering what you think - if they offered those boosters for gold and/or cash, would that be better?

Absolutely, even if it were just the XP. It would be fair to all the players and go a long way in establishing a more positive outlook towards the game. If the FtP didn't feel disenfranchised, they might wind up spending too. There doesn't have to be a divide. There shouldn't be a divide. The XP and upgrade costs have been a huge game flaw since launch and this was the chance to make it better and the bonuses fun instead of divisive.

SpringChicken · May 2016

The way I see it...

Even if I don't pay for special things, if other people pay more for special things... This is likely to give NG more incentive to develop more game content (gear, survivors classes, walker types, ideas like outposts, PvP?, mission story line, etc).

Doesn't that mean F2P players also win (something) when P2P players spend more money?

Dale · May 2016

DoTak said:
Personally, I don't really understand this competition thing that supposedly exists between Ftp and Ptp players.

It's not a competition; it's a comparison. From the point of view of a Ftp player, the Ptp players have an unfair advantage.

Yes, Ftp players have been given the option to buy boosters, gold, etc but, in real life, that isn't always a possibility. Some people have a budget that varies from zero to non-existent for activities like this.

Having available income provides an advantage. True here and in other parts of life.

mongo911 · May 2016

Da rich get richer... Duh...

blynknz · May 2016

DoTak said:
Personally, I don't really understand this competition thing that supposedly exists between Ftp and Ptp players.

I agree. This game is not really developed to play against each other. Its not like the top players get awesome rewards that help them in the future.

And also the game has a limit on it, and unless NG start pumping out new Council and content each month, those ptp players are just going to hit that cap again.

GreenBalloon · May 2016

SpringChicken said:
The way I see it...

Even if I don't pay for special things, if other people pay more for special things... This is likely to give NG more incentive to develop more game content (gear, survivors classes, walker types, ideas like outposts, PvP?, mission story line, etc).

Doesn't that mean F2P players also win (something) when P2P players spend more money?

They still have to work within the story line of the tv series in their development. They're dealing in the billions of dollars, so no, you really aren't doing any of the FtP players a favor. If you pay attention to the opening screen, you'll see AMC's name on the licensing rights. NG owns the game, AMC owns the show and rights they've leased out to NG. The game can't just create random content if it doesn't exist within the show.

zoson · May 2016

Lets stop calling them 'rewards' and start calling them as they are. They're shortcuts.

The game is plenty enjoyable without spending money, and the vast majority of players don't spend much at all, if anything. The only people who care about this stuff are the people who want to progress faster than the game's structure allows. That structure has been significantly sped up since launch also.

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The bundles are not necessary to play the game, do well in the game, or to enjoy the game. So, if you want to keep up with the people willing to pay money to progress faster - that's your own personal issue. You wanting to keep up with others who are willing to pay is not a game issue.

DLich · May 2016

Every F2P mobile game can be summed up with that south park episode.

"Give your service away for free, possibly ad supported but maybe not, acquire a lot of customers very efficiently through word of mouth, referral networks, organic search marketing, etc., then offer premium priced value added services or an enhanced version of your service to your customer base."

NG is a business. Business's try to make money. I think the $2/$3 new offerings are great. I hope they don't up the price. People who are never going to spend still won't. This game has alliances but most features of the game are individual based (except it seems end game) and these cheap packages offer something for old and new players.

I personally think it's great. I would spend $10 a month buying gold. Now I'll just buy the unlimited gas once a week.

DLich · May 2016

I've made almost 1.8 mil in supplies today so far (6 hours of interrupted play averaging about 500k an hour) and have made roughly 80 gold. It almost pays for itself

GreenBalloon · May 2016

zoson said:
Lets stop calling them 'rewards' and start calling them as they are. They're shortcuts.

The game is plenty enjoyable without spending money, and the vast majority of players don't spend much at all, if anything. The only people who care about this stuff are the people who want to progress faster than the game's structure allows. That structure has been significantly sped up since launch also.

Mod edited: zbot 5/31/16 2:03 pm

The bundles are not necessary to play the game, do well in the game, or to enjoy the game. So, if you want to keep up with the people willing to pay money to progress faster - that's your own personal issue. You wanting to keep up with others who are willing to pay is not a game issue.

Are you kidding me?! THAT was divisive, toxic and uncalled for. You're insulting a significant portion of the player base, though for what reason, I can't begin to fathom.

Dale · May 2016

zoson said:

. . .
F2P players simply don't give a crap.
. . .

What leads you to this conclusion? Some of us simply need to spend our money in other ways.

Invader · June 2016

zoson said:
The game is plenty enjoyable without spending money, and the vast majority of players don't spend much at all, if anything.

If you compare this game to other games...it´s a pot of gold.

It´s a huge difference if you pay once (and complete) for a game, or you get your benefits out of continously payments from more then 100.000 players which are addicted in evolving

But yes...I´m addicted too

OneLessTitan · June 2016

zoson said:
Mod edit: enough quoting

@OneLesstitan , please read and follow the forum rules:

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mongo911 · June 2016

What a lovely thread...

mongo911 · June 2016

@masmith93... We need another wonderful video...

Please, Please, Please...

masmith93 · June 2016

@mongo911 You've not seen this one??
http://forums.nextgames.com/walkingdead/discussion/10811/zombie-killer-my-new-video#latest

mongo911 · June 2016

@masmith93

Yup... Saw it... Drank brown liquid while watching it... Had a good time...

A new video devoted to " ( Z ) " would usher in world peace... And be enjoyable...

mongo911 · June 2016

Sometimes I spend money... And sometimes I don't...

When I spend money, it's like, when I was in High School, I use to ride a little Moped...

It was great fun... Till my friends saw me...

When I was in High School I use to hump a lovely fat girl... It was fun, till my friends saw me...

Spending money on this game is fun, till I think about it...

Some people on this Board frustrate me to the point of not wanting to spend any more money...

( you know who you are... Sigh... )

jester · June 2016

Shit. I need a sugar daddy if this is true.

zoson · June 2016

Dale said:

zoson said:

. . .
F2P players simply don't give a crap.
. . .
What leads you to this conclusion? Some of us simply need to spend our money in other ways.

Exactly, you don't care how much the bundle costs or how good it is. You'll never make a purchase because you don't see it as a worthwhile expenditure. That's your own choice to make, and there's nothing wrong with that at all.

Others get their fun in other ways and enjoy the game while spending money on it. That's my choice, and I asked for better deals. This is a really good deal, and it enhances my enjoyment of the game.

The game hasn't changed for the worse for you, you can still play it and the game mechanics haven't changed so much that it's a 'different' game that before. The game is still fun, is it not? How does other people paying a few bucks to increase their own rate of progress significantly affecting your gameplay?

Nextgames gets to make their money, which is the entire reason why they made the game, and you get to play for free because of those people willing to pay for additional benefit. Seems like you're getting a pretty good deal.

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